Subject: Re: Can't They Just Leave Women Alone?
Au contraire, we limit it by AGE. A precocious child may have adult brainpower but we won't refuse them entry to school.

But we don't limit it by age. As noted above, a child that spent a few years in a coma between 2nd and 3rd grade would be allowed to go to third grade - even though by age, they should be out of elementary school. The same is true of children with significant developmental disabilities, who will be placed in elementary school grades even though they might be chronologically older. And your own example goes against your point, not for it - just in reverse. We typically don't let nine-year-olds go to high school, but if they're sufficiently precocious, we ignore their chronological age and let them go:

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This is not an either-or. Trans advocates are saying that ONLY brains (psychology) should matter, observable reality (physiology) should not.

Within each context, it's usually either-or. For example, a trans person has to be able to use public bathrooms. In some facilities, there will be no gender-neutral bathrooms. You have to decide what the rule is going to be: whether they get to use the bathroom that aligns with their psychology or not. It's certainly possible that one might reach different policy conclusions in different contexts. It's theoretically possible that a state might let trans people use the bathrooms that align with their psychology but refuse to allow trans athletes to compete in sports on the same basis. Those kinds of splits are not likely to be too common, though, because there's just not all that much gradation between them.

But you mentioned that drag queens are men who think of themselves as men but dress in (traditional) women's clothes. I think most people would be uneasy to let such drag queens view their young daughters' bodies in locker room. What objective test can you apply to separate them from trans "women" (men who think themselves as women)?

The same objective tests we use to differentiate people who suffer from schizophrenia and claim eligibility for treatment, or who assert that they are Jewish and claim employer accommodations for their religion. You can look at the totality of the circumstances and make a reasonable assessment of how likely it is that this person is, in fact, schizophrenic or Jewish.

It's not really complicated. You don't really have situations where it's actually hard to figure out whether someone claiming to be a trans person is genuinely trans, or is just putting on an act for some reason. Typically trans folks will have been in treatment with therapists, have confided their trans status in close friends or certain relatives, and have engaged in behaviors consistent with their trans identities for long periods of time. If a man gets caught peeping in the women's room and tries to claim, "No, it wasn't illegal because I'm actually trans," it's going to be really really easy for prosecutors to prove that's a lie - because they won't have "the receipts" to back that up.

And if Ru Paul has taught me anything, it's that most drag queens are going to be relatively uninterested in looking at girls' bodies in the locker room.

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