Subject: Re: Appaling
You could make that change, of course. But that's not a "loophole" type of change. It means that people who are legitimately and actually fleeing persecution from their home countries - people who are absolutely qualified to seek asylum in the U.S. - will be refused asylum and sent back home if they don't come into the country at a specific place. We will refuse asylum to people who deserve asylum, under the values and standards (and international treaty obligations).

Or they can...Remain in Mexico or someplace else. The international rules for asylum as I understand them state that you need to be fleeing to a country that borders yours, not just some place else on the globe you want to go to.

So in that vein we're not "refusing asylum". I reject the notion that the United States is the obligatory destination for asylum seekers world wide.

And the GOP has fought - successfully - literally any effort to provide for a pathway for citizenship for migrants that even they acknowledge should be allowed to do so. Like the DREAMERS. Also for 40 years now.

Reagan granted an amnesty in exchange for border security. He never got it. If the democrats expect some concessions, they need to offer some up front with any expectation of the GOP reciprocating.

This is what compromise involves. The reason that the GOP hasn't been able to advance its hardline immigration vision is the same reason that the Democrats haven't been able to advance their humanitarian immigration vision. You can't reach a deal unless you reach a deal.

Not once, never, ever in my lifespan have I seen a democrat bill or a "Gang of 6" bill that wasn't...a democrat bill.
Again, Show Me.

Of course, neither of the above is true in absolutes. Obama was derided as the "Deporter in Chief" by his base

That's because Obama's base was never a bunch to follow the real news. Obama was anything BUT a "deporter in chief". He perfected the art of juicing the numbers to make himself look good:

https://www.latimes.com/nation...
But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.

Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since his first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009.

There has never been nor will there ever be a bigger fraud than one Barack Obama.

As do the statements of the GOP that "We're gonna work with the Democrats this time, we swear!". Yet every effort to reform the immigration system has failed, usually on the shoals of a protest by conservative talk radio (in the days of Rush) or conservative cable news (in the days of O'Reilly).

You just zapped your own argument. There has never been a shortage of Establishment GOP types willing to give the democrats everything they want along the border. Just look at the current bill.

And immigration advocates have effectively gotten 0% of what they've asked for since the Reagan compromise as well.

You mean besides a wide open southern border and vast misuse of the parole system? Besides that?

But that doesn't change the reality that this is the best opportunity in 40 years for hardliners to get a hawkish immigration proposal through Congress - because this is the first time in 40 years that the Democratic coalition is willing to trade restrictivist immigration proposals for something outside of immigration. There are certainly strategic reasons the GOP might pass that up, but they have nothing to do with moving immigration laws closer to what they claim to want.

No one's show me a single thing that the democrats are willing to trade. As with all their proposals, their idea of "compromise" is for the other side to give in while the democrats promise they'll look into what the Republicans want...at some later time, after the democrats have finished laughing at how bad Republicans are at negotiating.

No thanks. As I said, Show Me.