Subject: Re: Let’s See If This Pans Out for Putin
Oh? Not relevant? Having the French Navy basically handle a lot of fighting when the Colonial Navy was off doing other things isn't relevant?

Not relevant to the point you're making.

You have consistently asserted that the reason Ukraine can't win on their present course was that they lack the guns, money and dudes to drive out the Russians. Throughout the American Revolution, the Continental Army including their French allies also lacked the guns, money and dudes to drive out the British.

The fact that the Continental Army's forces also included the French does not change that. It is different that the French helped the Continental Army in different ways than we're helping Ukraine - but those differences never affected the fact that the Continental forces were never powerful enough to actually dislodge the British.

Yet they still won, because the British chose to leave after it became in their best interests to do so.

They couldn't reinforce and couldn't hold the colonies because they were down to garrisoning 3 cities (Boston, New York and Charleston, IIRC). That's not "holding" the colonies when other major cities like Philadelphia aren't under your control.

And Russia is only able to hold a modest portion of Ukraine. They're not "holding" the entire country when 80% of the land area and the largest cities (they never got Kyev or Odessa, they lost Kharkiv) are held by the Patrio...I mean, the Ukrainian Army.

Where is NATO engaging the Russians on their own?

On the economic and diplomatic battlefields - and by forcing the Russians to maintain some of their military forces in defensive posture against any potential NATO threat.

The effect is still the same - make it so Russia doesn't have the resources to keep throwing into the Ukrainian theater. NATO's inflicting pain on Russia that Ukraine alone could never do (economic, diplomatic, and strategic) - just like the French. Just like the French, it will never be enough to physically drive the Russians out - but just like the French, it adds to the losses that Russia endures until they recognize that it's in their best interests to abandon the conquest.