Subject: Re: ObamaCare Saves Lives...
But they are laughing all the way to the bank and a majority of doctors are simply collection agencies, insurance administrators, and whores to the insurance companies.

While I don't follow a lot of your posts, I understood this one. And I agree. I would rather they have made it "Medicare for All", rather than involving insurance companies. All insurance companies do is get between you and your doctor. Though I'm sure Medicare has procedures, too (i.e. insurance fraud, Medicare fraud...two sides of the same coin, and it needs to be dug out).

I didn't remember that some Republicans were potential "yea" votes, but I'll take albaby's word for it. I do remember the obstinance of some congress-creatures who had major insurance companies in their districts. They were Dems, but we in the pocket of insurance companies. IIRC, Nelson was one of them.

I don't recall now, but I have the impression that Obama went with the insurance company scheme to try to bring more Republicans on-board, as opposed to "Medicare for All". I think Clinton-care was going to be more like MfA, and Republicans didn't like it, and some put forth schemes similar to the ACA (with the Heritage Foundation coming up with the individual mandate idea). So Obama thought he might be able to meet the Republicans half way from the get-go. But in the end, they just flat didn't want any form of universal health care. Could have been lobbies, could have been ideology, or could have been "we oppose everything". Probably some combination of all three.

Hopefully the pendulum will swing back away for "red vs blue". Though, right now I don't see any path for doing that. As you say, we should all gather as citizens and talk to each other. But we're not (yet) willing to do that.