Subject: Re: Let’s See If This Pans Out for Putin
Because they're paying a real price in terms of civilians killed and infrastructure blown up every day. Why wouldn't you want to fight back? Why wouldn't you want to do something to speed up the timetable for the Russians leaving?

They are fighting back. They're fighting the Russians all the time. That fight sets the timetable for the Russians leaving.

If you can strike targets inside of Russia, that's a viable option. And they have done so from time to time. But hitting those targets incurs different costs and risks, because they're further away and have to be hit using different resources and weaponry. Just because you want to hit inside of Russia doesn't mean you can, or that doing so is the strategically appropriate use of your resources.

'no, this isn't a boxer sitting there blocking the other guy's fist with his face' but when you don't occasionally make the other guys respond to something...that's exactly what it is.

No, it's not. The Ukrainians are fighting the Russians constantly. Russia's had nearly a million casualties. That's not sitting back blocking the other guy's fist with your face - that's standing your ground and fighting tooth and nail.

The Vietnamese waged a successful PR campaign in the United States. They absolutely went on the offensive.

You don't think we're doing stuff to try to hurt Russia outside of the actual Ukrainian theater? All the sanctions, all the diplomatic isolation, all the asset seizures against individual Russians, all of our own propaganda about Putin's unjustified war of aggression? All that stuff is being done - far more than the Vietnamese ever actually did themselves within the U.S.

The Ukrainians have struck Russia targets where opportunities and their resources permit. The Ukrainians aren't holding anything back! If we gave them more advanced weaponry or missiles or anything else that could strike deeper into Russia, they'd gladly use them!

I still don't understand what it is that you want to happen, that you think people on this board don't also want to happen (other than the foolishness of secondary sanctions on our allies). No one is saying that if Ukraine can attack military or infrastructure targets in Russia that they shouldn't.