Subject: Re: Record crossings @ border
Me: "Are those apprehensions the total number of people?"

No. Not every single person who crosses the border without a visa is apprehended.

...and those numbers are absolutely out of control and have been for 3 years. .

But if there's that many apprehensions, it conclusively demonstrates that the border is not "wide open." It means that there are rules in place that prohibit unauthorized crossings, that violation of those rules results in enforcement action, and that considerable resources are being devoted to those enforcement actions.

What enforcement action? They're being handed phones with an app for a court date...that's years in advance. In the meantime they're being released into the United States.

Does that sound like enforcement to you?

I do not think there are many - even on the left - who would disagree that we have a border system that is woefully inadequate to handle very large numbers of people who are crossing to present asylum claims.

The left wing argument is that these people aren't being given amnesty immediately.

What it is not is "wide open."

We can agree to disagree. You've done quite well in arguing the semantics; however, the reality of the situation is that the system is overwhelmed and this has been allowed to happen on purpose. We are living in a Cloward-Piven strategy of bringing the immigration system to its knees and have created a situation where literally everyone throws up their hands and says "Well, what can you do? The problem is too big,". The only way out of that - and this WILL be argued by the democrat party at some point - is to issue a general amnesty. Presto! and Voila! No more illegal immigration problem.

In the meantime, literally millions of people are who knows where in the United States doing who knows what. If this isn't the functional definition of an open border I don't want to be around to see the textbook one.