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Author: wzambon 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Pearl Harbor Day
Date: 12/06/2024 11:11 PM
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Heather Cox Richardson

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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Day
Date: 12/06/2024 11:32 PM
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Ultimately, the struggle between fascism and democracy was the question of equality. Were all men really created equal as the Declaration of Independence said, or were some born to lead the rest, whom they held subservient to their will?

Democracy, FDR reminded Americans again and again, was the best possible government.


Sigh. Another trash article.
The left’s “intelligentsia” is stuck in a Do Loop of dumb.
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Author: wzambon 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Day
Date: 12/07/2024 12:08 AM
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Sigh. Another trash article.
The left’s “intelligentsia” is stuck in a Do Loop of dumb.


Sigh. When faced with a lucid articulation, Dope reverts to trash talking rather than counter-argument.

Note: trash talking and name calling form the default mode of debate for the far-right.

It’s all about scoring points.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Day
Date: 12/07/2024 12:17 AM
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Player, please. You people can’t argue your way out of a paper bag with both ends open.

Sure you want to cite FDR - the guy who locked up thousands of Japanese-Americans with no due process as the paragon of “muh democracy”? Come on, man.

The democrats are becoming walking parodies.
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Author: wzambon 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Day
Date: 12/07/2024 1:53 AM
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Player, please. You people can’t argue your way out of a paper bag with both ends open.

More trash talking

And yes, FDr did sign the orders that locked up thousands of Japanese-Americans, just as Andrew Jackson defied the Supreme Court to send thousands of Cherokee, Choctaw and Creek from their ancestral lands on a trail of tears to Oklahoma. Our history contains dark chaptors.

Still, in spite of FDR’s violation, he still saved democracy in this country with his New Deal policies that kept workers and the unemployed engaged in the political life of this country- by giving them a stake in it.

He also helped to save democracy in the world, through his Lend Lease program that kept Great Britain afloat until American public opinion swung toward support of US entrance in the war. Of course, Pearl Harbor ended that debate, soon followed by Japanese and German declarations of war against the US. By then, Roosevelt’s Day that will live in Infamy” speech declaring war on Japan was merely an afterthought, because Japan and Germany had already declared war on us.


Views on Roosevelt today are polarized. I side with those who see him as one of this country’s great presidents. Interestingly, my former in-laws, both Republicans, hated Roosevelt, but one policy of his they supported, back in the early 80’s when we had such discussions….. was Roosevelt’s detention of the Japanese. Back then, that was not an uncommon position for Republicans to hold- for many of the same reasons Republicans wore “Mass Deportations Now!” Buttons at their summer convention this year. There’s acertain symmetry between the fears of Japanese Americans spying and committing a ts of sabotAge….. with the fear of migrant vermin carrying diseases, committing unspeakable crimes and eating the dogs and cats of the people who live here.

Same fear. Different target.

And of course, as you know, the Japanese American 442nd Regimental Combat Team which fought in Italy and France, was the most decorated military unit for its size that fought in the war. Former Senator from Hawaii, Daniel Inoue, was a member of that unit, suffered grievous combat wounds, and served this country admirably, both as a soldier and as a senator.

I can’t put words in the mouth of a dead man, but I feel confident that he would agree with me when I say that America has made some horrible mistakes, but it’s a country that forever holds in front of itself he vision of “a more perfect union.”

An interesting account of the combat that led to Inoue’s loss of his right arm:

Ignoring his wound, he proceeded to attack and destroy the first machine gun nest with hand grenades and his Thompson submachine gun. When informed of the severity of his wound, he refused treatment and rallied his men for an attack on the second machine gun position, which he successfully destroyed before collapsing from blood loss. As his squad distracted the third machine gunner, Inouye crawled toward the final bunker, coming within 10 yards. As he raised himself up and cocked his arm to throw his last grenade, a German soldier inside the bunker fired a rifle grenade, which struck his right elbow, nearly severing most of his arm and leaving his primed grenade reflexively "clenched in a fist that suddenly didn't belong to me anymore". Inouye's horrified soldiers moved to his aid, but he shouted for them to keep back out of fear his severed fist would involuntarily relax and drop the grenade. While the German inside the bunker reloaded his rifle, Inouye pried the live grenade from his useless right hand and transferred it to his left. As the enemy soldier aimed his rifle at him, Inouye tossed the grenade into the bunker and destroyed it. He stumbled to his feet and continued forward, silencing the last German resistance with a one-handed burst from his Thompson before being wounded in the leg and tumbling unconscious to the bottom of the ridge. He awoke to see the worried men of his platoon hovering over him. His only comment before being carried away was to order them back to their positions, saying "nobody called off the war!"

For these actions, Inoue was awarden The Congressional Medal of Honor.

Later in life, he became a Democratic Senator- as a member of the same party that Roosevelt had led.

And that is exactly the spirit that all of us should emulate.






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Author: EchotaSheeple   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Day
Date: 12/07/2024 8:08 AM
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Ultimately, the struggle between fascism and democracy was the question of equality. Were all men really created equal as the Declaration of Independence said, or were some born to lead the rest, whom they held subservient to their will?
****

And like good White Liberals they put innocent Asians in cages.


They've not changed at all. To this day they love minorities they can cage - be it in housing projects or bad schools.

In low wage jobs that make their dumbass organic vegetables cheaper.

But those that can challenge them for high-tech jobs? They want to limit and reduce them.


Liberals are worse than Nazis in that at least a Nazi tells you upfront what he is whereas Liberals clock themselves in bullshit colors of tolerance and they dont want to kill people -- - worse ---they want to own people.

From South Central to Detroit they've succeeded for 50 years. BUT - the plantation is showing hints of restlessness.

BAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Author: EchotaSheeple   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Day
Date: 12/07/2024 8:09 AM
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When FDR locked up Japanese Americans like good White Liberals love to do.....


.....did FDR at least give them online WaPo subscriptions?
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Author: EchotaSheeple   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Day
Date: 12/07/2024 8:25 AM
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Still, in spite of FDR’s violation, he still saved democracy in this country with his New Deal policies that kept workers and the unemployed engaged in the political life of this country- by giving them a stake in it.
*****

Means justifies the ends. BAAAAAAAAAAAA


And......

PRESIDENT TRUMP.... IF YOU ROUND UP INNOCENT AMERICANS - NOT ILLEGALS THAT SHEEPLE ADVOCATES FOR BUT-----LEGAL AMERICANS, and put them, in cages......we want you to know that this----- would be...........

"a violation".


My Goodness. This calls for an online WaPo subscription cancelling another online WaPo subscription.
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Day
Date: 12/07/2024 11:01 AM
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You people can’t argue your way out of a paper bag with both ends open.

Dope argues for arguments sake. He's the geek on the carnival dunk tank bench. Getting a response is his goal. He'll toss out any nonsense to achieve that goal.


"You people;you're idiots. I'm brilliant. You can't dunk me. Buy 3 more balls for a buck"

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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Day
Date: 12/07/2024 6:19 PM
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Last year a cousin shared some family history of which I was unaware.

I've written about the circumstances under which my father and uncle fled Austria right after their school year ended in 1939, deserting the German army that had conscripted them.

My Dad began an internship at Bellevue. My Uncle was hired by Villanova where he taught math, physics, and navigational math to naval officers. He found it humorous that he was teaching NavMath to 'sailors' since he hadn't even seen the ocean until he crossed the English Channel in '39.
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Last December when my cousin visited, he shared that our maternal grandfather, on Dec 7, 1941 was conducting the NY Symphony at Carnegie Hall.

The handbill-
https://archives.nyphil.org/index.php/artifact/b75...
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Meanwhile, back at Villanova my uncle was spending that winter afternoon in his teacher's apartment listening to my grandfather conducting the Sunday afternoon NBC radio broadcast from Carnegie Hall. During the Shostakovitch portion the program was interrupted to announce the attack on Pearl Harbor.

4 days later, my uncle said he was surprised that Germany declared war on the USA, and not the other way around. Prior to leaving Austria he was in a street-fighting anti-nazi youth group for several years. He tried to enlist in the army but, not being a citizen, was rejected. He very badly wanted to be an infantry machine gunner. Eventually he was drafted and began infantry training, but to his great disappointment was pulled out of boot camp for his value as a German-speaking physicist. Instead, he was tasked with organizing a team to decipher captured German documents including massive quantities of research material from Peenemünde.

Small world that my paternal uncle was listening to my maternal grandfather conducting on that Dec 7,1941, years before the 2 families would meet.



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Author: Lambo   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Day
Date: 12/07/2024 9:25 PM
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That's a great story Sano. Please tell us more when you can.
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