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Author: hclasvegas   😊 😞
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Subject: NY Times, op ed- Joe should step down
Date: 06/14/2024 8:07 AM
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" NYT’s Bret Stephens: Shapiro or Whitmer should take Biden’s place in White House race. "

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4720056-joe-...
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NYT’s Bret Stephens: Shapiro or Whitmer should take Biden’s place in White House race

Yes, thank you for pointing out that the New York Times presents opposing and contrasting views so readers will have a chance to examine issues from multiple points of view. Unlike, say, Fox News or the Wall Street Journal editorial page.

They even print some crackpot conservatives from time to time. It’s amusing to see how they are willing to subvert the nation to try to get Donald Trump elected.
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" It’s amusing to see how they are willing to subvert the nation to try to get Donald Trump elected."

good morning, so you think the Dem parties best and most qualified alternative to trump, is Biden Harris ? Seriously ?
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Yes, thank you for pointing out that the New York Times presents opposing and contrasting views so readers will have a chance to examine issues from multiple points of view.

Weren't you paying attention up-thread where our resident media expert pointed out that the mainstream media produces more propaganda than FOX et al?

MAGA are perfect stooges for Putin and his system of corrupt oligarchy.
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Date: 06/14/2024 11:53 AM
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The 'Biden should step down' threads are hitting nerves...
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So many ways to reply. How does one choose?

A. OK, but your guy needs to step down first.

2. Why does Biden need to be replaced? He beat Trump once, when Trump had the advantage of being the incumbent. He can do it again, particularly with the incumbency advantage.

III. Are you sure this was from the NYT, or was it The Onion?

Fourth. We have a process to nominate presidential candidates. Biden (and Trump) have won those processes. Why should the winner of that processes suddenly step aside? We don't really have a way of coming up with a new nominee at this point.


Seriously, I take this as a sign that some on the right are concerned.

--Peter
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Subject: Re: NY Times, op ed- Joe should step down
Date: 06/14/2024 1:15 PM
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A. OK, but your guy needs to step down first.

Why? He's not senile and doesn't seem to need Adult Depends.

2. Why does Biden need to be replaced?

Because one can't spend one's Presidency watching Matlock and eating pudding, and that's when he's not drooling.

Are you sure this was from the NYT

Pretty sure the people who really run the democrat party and tell you what to think are a bit nervous.

We have a process to nominate presidential candidates.

Hahahaha. We do on the Republican side. The democrats are going to stealth nominate Biden over a phone call because d's aren't bright enough to read a calendar correctly.

Seriously, I take this as a sign that some on the right are concerned.

Only if today were opposite day, which it isn't.
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Subject: Re: NY Times, op ed- Joe should step down
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Fourth. We have a process to nominate presidential candidates. Biden (and Trump) have won those processes. Why should the winner of that processes suddenly step aside? We don't really have a way of coming up with a new nominee at this point.

Yes. I may not understand why the right has chosen Trump as their standard-bearer (despite albaby's attempts to make sense of it), but that is the case. We have the two candidates, chosen by the processes of democracy. So be it.

I wouldn't be surprised if the winner doesn't last another four years (both men are old), so the VP choices may be more interesting than in the past. They could be the new POTUS in a few years.
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Subject: Re: NY Times, op ed- Joe should step down
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Why? He's not senile and doesn't seem to need Adult Depends.

I don't know (and don't want to know) about the Depends, but he is showing signs of dementia. I saw it up close with 1poormom. Yes, he is going "senile". It will likely accelerate, if it was like mom's, and he'll go from having a few "minor" issues to full senility within a few years. She went from losing track of her train of thought, and rambling, to making inappropriate comments, to not recognizing me within about 4 years. Trump is already at the rambling and inappropriate comment stage.
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Date: 06/14/2024 1:35 PM
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I don't know (and don't want to know) about the Depends, but he is showing signs of dementia.

Biden's already there. It's undeniable; you folks should understand that even if he wins, there's a 0.0% possibility he'll be able to serve out all 4 years.

What Jill and the dems are doing to the guy is nothing short of elder abuse.
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Subject: Re: NY Times, op ed- Joe should step down
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Again, I've seen it up close. If Biden is in early dementia, it has yet to set itself apart from simple slowing with age. Almost everyone does. That is different than dementia. Trump has dementia, or at least the early stages of it, as near as I can tell. Biden? Maybe, maybe not. But he definitely is showing his age.

Zero percent? I know you're being hyperbolic. He may serve out his four years, he may not. Same as Trump. Both men are showing their age. Which is why I said the VP choices could be very interesting. I think Trump's likely dementia complicates the picture for him. They may have to 25th Amendment him. If Biden lasts physically, he'll probably last cognitively. As I said, he doesn't have the same obvious signs Trump does, so if there is a problem, he is earlier on in the process.

Not a medical professional (obviously). Just comparing to 1poormom, and some of the people I saw in her memory care unit.
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Subject: Re: NY Times, op ed- Joe should step down
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Again, I've seen it up close. If Biden is in early dementia,

If you've seen it up close, then you know that Biden has advanced dementia. It's not a debatable thing.

Zero percent? I know you're being hyperbolic.

Nope, 100% serious. You guys are really being gaslight if you think he's not waaaaay down the path for senility. He spent nearly half of his first term on the beach in Delaware; he's gotten progressively worse. There's no chance he would be fit to serve out a 2nd term.

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good morning, so you think the Dem parties best and most qualified alternative to trump, is Biden Harris ? Seriously ?

A stale bagel is more qualified than trump.
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Subject: Re: NY Times, op ed- Joe should step down
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You say "game on" and then can't come up with anything that is remotely factual. I know you'll never be convinced of anything, but I'll play along for the benefit of those who may be reading

Why? He's not senile and doesn't seem to need Adult Depends.

Both men are old and both show signs of slowing down. However, only one rambles on about whatever nonsense comes to his mind. And then repeats that nonsense ad nauseam. Really. Every "rally" has the same complaints. Every basement "press conference" has the same complaints. Every time he opens his mouth its exactly the same. That, my friend, is an early sign of senility. A little stumbling while speaking is not, particularly in someone with a history of stuttering. I'll state this part very plainly, the idea that one stutters because they are dumb is a horrible stereotype. Stuttering has nothing to do with intelligence.

Because one can't spend one's Presidency watching Matlock and eating pudding, and that's when he's not drooling.

That's so ridiculous it's not even worthy of a response.

Pretty sure the people who really run the democrat party and tell you what to think are a bit nervous.

This is a common play among the right. Projection. You seem to think that things that happen to you happen to everyone. Have you actually paid attention to the Democrat party? Have you seen how they work together? They don't, except for a few items - the most important being to win an election over the Republicans. That is about the only commonality among Democrats. As has been said before, "I don't belong to an organized political party. I'm a democrat."

The democrats are going to stealth nominate Biden over a phone call

Are you claiming every primary election in this cycle to date has been rigged to nominate Biden, but that none of those elections - elections in which Trump was also nominated - were rigged to nominate Trump? That makes no sense on it's face. And let's not forget that there were only a couple of token challengers to Biden in the primaries. As is fairly traditional in both parties, an incumbent President will get preference if he wants to run for re-election. Trump got that in 2020, Biden is getting that in 2024.

And what's this phone call thing about? Last time I checked, there was a Democrat party convention scheduled in Chicago in August.

Only if today were opposite day, which it isn't.

No, it's not. So why is a partisan pundit suggesting that one nominee for President step aside after winning the party's nomination? I'll admit that being concerned that the nominee is likely to beat the nominee of the pundit's party is only one potential reason. Another potential reason might be that the nominee has been convicted of multiple felonies. But then again, any sane political party would immediately reject their nominee upon such a conviction. They wouldn't need the other party to suggest it.

--Peter
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They may have to 25th Amendment him.

The problem with that is it requires a VP and cabinet with some backbone. I'm fairly sure Trump will make sure that almost none of them have such fortitude. They certainly didn't last time around.

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Date: 06/14/2024 3:19 PM
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This thread's about Biden, not Trump; you folks have missed that.

and then can't come up with anything that is remotely fa

Lulz. Everything I posted was factual. You not being able to handle it is a you thing, not a me thing. I get that lefties need someone to tell them what reality is, but come on, man. Biden is a walking husk of the person he once was.

No one is buying the gaslighting. Well, you people, but nobody out in the real world.

That's so ridiculous it's not even worthy of a response.

And yet...it's true. He's spent about half of his first term doing just that. Truth hurts, huh?

Have you actually paid attention to the Democrat party? Have you seen how they work together?

Hahahahaha. Your party is like the mafia, complete with Omertà and everything else. Been studying it for years.

Are you claiming every primary election in this cycle to date has been rigged to nominate Biden....And what's this phone call thing about? Last time I checked, there was a Democrat party convention scheduled in Chicago in August.

No. I'm ignoring your bogus strawman (because strawmen are bogus and yours was an especially weak example of one). What I'm telling you is the Biden campaign and the dnc weren't smart enough to look at the calendar when they scheduled their convention.

Don't know about this, do you? Too bad. Perhaps you need better sources of news, ones that keep you up to speed with what's going on in politics and current events.

So why is a partisan pundit suggesting that one nominee for President step aside after winning the party's nomination?

Because he's clearly senile and isn't up to the job. That's been beyond obvious for 2 and half years now. Only diehard libs still think that Biden's all there.

Good luck with that!
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Dope1: Biden's already there. It's undeniable; you folks should understand that even if he wins, there's a 0.0% possibility he'll be able to serve out all 4 years.

Yeah, you guys said that about Hillary too and she looks and sounds just fine today.

Below is a link to the transcript of president Biden's interview with Time Magazine on May 28. He was clear, detailed, and when fact checked by Time, they found his answers were correct.

In short, you're delusional. You're in the cult.

When the convicted felon and rapist is speaking anywhere, he rambles lies about the 2020 election being stolen -- completely false -- talks about being electrocuted by boat batteries or being eaten by sharks. He's repeatedly said wind turbines cause cancer. He was in Arizona and thought he was in Texas.

Even Sean Hannity had to stop him during a recent interview and ask him to focus.

HANNITY: "Stay focused for just a second."

Here's Trump speaking at a recent rally: “I say what would happen if the boat sank from its weight and you’re in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery and the battery is now underwater and there’s a shark that’s approximately 10 yards over there. By the way, a lot of shark attacks lately. You notice that? A lot of shark. I watched some guys justifying it today. Well, they weren’t really that angry. They bit off the young lady’s leg because of the fact that they were, they were not hungry, but they misunderstood what, who she was. These people are cray. He said there’s no problem with sharks they just didn’t really understand a young woman swimming. Now really got decimated and other people too. A lot of shark attacks. So I said, so there’s a shark 10 yards away from the boat. 10 yards over here. Do I get electrocuted if the boat is sinking, water goes over the battery, the boat is sinking? Do I stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted or do I jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted? Because, I will tell you, he didn’t know the answer He said, you know, nobody’s ever asked that question. I said, I think it’s a good question. I think there’s a lot of electric current coming through that water, but you know what I’d do if there was a shark or you get electrocuted? I’ll take electrocution every single time. I’m not getting near the shark.”

Sure sounds like he's cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.

Trump almost never talks about policy or the future -- other than cutting taxes or punishing women who have abortions or people he thinks looked at him sideways -- and when he does there's absolutely no specificity; it's just "I won't let that happen".

Face it, you're in a cult that backs a rapist guilty of business fraud who tried to block the peaceful transfer of power -- the hallmark of democracy -- calls lawbreakers "heroes" and "patriots" and called American war dead "suckers" and "losers," and who stole more than 100 of the nation's most highly classified and top secret documents and left them in an unlocked bathroom and on an open ballroom stage accessible to thousands of people.

Americans mean nothing to him. He even said it clearly: "I don't care about you."

That republicans back this criminal is absurd, a dangerous cult of personality.


https://time.com/6984968/joe-biden-transcript-2024...




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Yeah

You should have stopped there and just admitted I was right.
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good morning, so you think the Dem parties best and most qualified alternative to trump, is Biden Harris ? Seriously ?

Stunning to think that so many people like you think there is ANY reason in the world to vote for Trump. The ways in which he is unsuitable have been mentioned over and over again.

Jeez.
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Have you actually paid attention to the Democrat party?

Peter, please don't use Democrat Party, it's something the right has used as an insult. It is the Democratic Party and the only party now upholding our nation's democratic principles.

According to Oxford Dictionaries, the use of Democrat rather than the adjective Democratic "is in keeping with a longstanding tradition among Republicans of dropping the –ic in order to maintain a distinction from the broader, positive associations of the adjective democratic with democracy and egalitarianism".

Funny, because we can see how the new Trumpian party hates democracy and egalitarianism.
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Let's just apply thing finishing touches to the left with some observations from the European press about Biden, shall we?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28495274/joe-biden-f...

IN JOE MOTION Doddery Biden is ‘the worst he’s ever been’ – everyone is worried, say G7 insiders as video shows him shuffling away
Watch Biden's latest concerning incident in the clip above


Bbbbbut...that's the Sun! <--- So will say libs who are in love with the Poison the Well logical fallacy.

No problem!

https://www.msn.com/es-es/noticias/internacional/j...

(Translated from Spanish)

Plenty more out there. Loved him saluting Italy's PM, too.


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The Euro press is being no kinder to Trump. In fact, they've been questioning his mental faculties since 2018, if you care to look. This one (first hit...there are others) is more recent:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/doctors-trump-displaying...

Interestingly, this seems to agree with what I said earlier (and I wrote my earlier post before reading this article): Biden is slowing, Trump is dementing.

They also basically wonder what is wrong with America that a candidate like Trump could ever be put forward. Especially with his recent criminal conviction. But that's a different topic.
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Hahahaha. We do on the Republican side. The democrats are going to stealth nominate Biden over a phone call because d's aren't bright enough to read a calendar correctly.

Your ignorance about this particular matter is staggering, yet not surprising.

A simple search showed hundred of news articles about this “stealth” nomination.

As for reading a calendar, this is from the link below:

”Ohio's certification deadlines in the past have come before both parties' nominating conventions, and in those instances, both parties resolved the issue cleanly and without rancor.”

So you see, this is nothing new except for the Ohio Republicans trying to eliminate voters choice to vote for Biden.

To DeWine’s credit, he refuses to join the cult, stating:

"As I previously said, we do not want to leave something so basic as having the sitting president of the United States on the ballot to others when this can — and should — be done legislatively. It’s the right thing to do. For these reasons, it is important that a bill or multiple bills that accomplish these common-sense measures come to my desk right away this week."

Of course, MAGA Republicans and “the right thing to do” are complete strangers.


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Dope1: Let's just apply thing finishing touches to the left with some observations from the European press about Biden, shall we?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28495274/joe-biden-f...


The Sun story is a complete fiction.

President Biden is not "left looking in the completely wrong direction frozen" or " shepherded back towards the group when Italian PM Giorgia Meloni ushers him back" as the captions suggest. The Sun digitally altered the images to remove another skydiver from the frame that the president was talking to and walking over to give a thumbs up.

Here's the unaltered video: https://x.com/AndrewJBates46/status/18013579435661...

After Xhitter left the phony cropped image and story up for several hours it finally "community noted" that it was false and that the image was cropped to make the president look bad.

Of course the lie worked like a charm for knuckleheads in the cult.

But you go ahead and tell us why the rapist Dementia Don keeps talking about Hannibal Lector like he was a real person.
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Everything I posted was factual.

Seriously?

OK. Show me any shred of evidence that Biden sits around watching TV and drooling. Heck, they don't even have to be happening at the same time.

--Peter
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Peter, please don't use Democrat Party, it's something the right has used as an insult.

That's something I started doing many years ago out of a deference to the idea that Democrats did not have sole possession of democratic principles. You've got to remember that I'm a life-long Republican who left the party after the 2016 primaries. The idea that my party could even entertain such a knucklehead as that forced me to leave. And not wanting to be wishy-washy about my denouncement of the Republican party, I registered as a Democrat rather than an independent or some other third (or fourth or fifth ...) party.

Perhaps naively, I still hold on to the hope that the Republican party can reform themselves and return to being an actual political party rather than a personality cult.

Having said all that, I see your point. And having checked that the national party refers to themselves as the "Democratic National Committee", I will start adding the -ic suffix back on when appropriate. As you said, right now, only one party is holding on to democratic principles, and that is the Democratic Party.

--Peter

PS
As a side note, I enjoyed a piece on The Daily Show a couple of days ago where the MAGA faithful were spouting off that the US was a republic and not a democracy. They seem to have completely forgotten their high school civics classes where we learned that the USA is a democratic republic. Yes, it's a republic in that we elect representatives who are supposed to use their own judgement when deciding what is best for both their constituents and the country as a whole. (Not that either party has done that very well over the last few decades. What is best for the representative seems to be a significant factor in much of the decision making.) But those representatives are elected in a democratic process, where every person gets a vote. And we'll completely ignore the historical usage where even this subtle difference may not have mattered and the two terms were used almost interchangeably.
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The Sun story is a complete fiction.

It is??? So you were there? You spoke to people who were there? Wow.

Had no idea you were that connected, ChatNPC! I'm impressed.

Of course...Biden was supposed to be taking a photo and just wandered off, as he's wont to do. The lame spin you're attempting here vanishes when one looks at the whole video clip.

Ask your firmware programmer to try again.
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Seriously?

I don't follow the man 24/7, so I'm not omnipotent like ChatNPC is. Maybe he'll know.
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I don't follow the man 24/7, so I'm not omnipotent like ChatNPC is. Maybe he'll know.

So you're admitting that you have zero evidence for your claim that Biden watches TV and drools instead of doing his job as President of the United States?

--Peter
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The Sun digitally altered the images to remove another skydiver from the frame that the president was talking to and walking over to give a thumbs up.

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I can vouch for the info linked by CO - there was in fact a second skydiver who apparently landed moments earlier. While the rest of the dignitaries were watching skydiver #2 make his landing, Biden was still watching the first skydiver, collecting himself and rolling up his parachute when Biden flashes him the thumbs up......

How do I know?

I saw it on Fox News!!! Fair & Balanced.

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So you're admitting that you have zero evidence for your claim that Biden watches TV and drools instead of doing his job as President of the United States?

Here's a kajillion pieces of photographic evidence of him on the beach not doing his job as President:
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=biden%20on%20...

Is he drooling? Maybe; I'm not going to go swab his beach umbrella. I also don't see a TV out there but maybe he's watching Matlock on his phone.

The larger point - to which you're being obtuse and trying to reverse on me, but it's not working out for you - is that The-According-To-You-People-Totally-Non-Senile-You-Guys-Biden spent over a year on vacation in his first term.

Since De Nial isn't a river in Egypt: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/biden-vacation-40-...

If he wins, I'd guess that percentage of vacation goes over 80. This also doesn't count the early "lids" his team calls for him <--- you may Google that yourself.


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I saw it on Fox News!!! Fair & Balanced.

libs. Tripped up by their poor sourcing and misinformation sources again.
You just have to shake your head.
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Perhaps naively, I still hold on to the hope that the Republican party can reform themselves and return to being an actual political party rather than a personality cult.

I am with you on this. We need a Republican Party, but for now Trump has demolished it and replaced it with a cult.
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They've blown up in the past, and ended up reforming. As I recall they were originally The Whigs. Then the Know-Nothings (snarky comment omitted). And eventually the Republican Party for over a century. I may have missed a name or two. If I recall from history class, they had some sort of tumult, and split and reformed several times in a relatively short period. I don't now recall what the point of contention was (and have better things to do than spend 20 minutes reading the Wiki on it).
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Here's a kajillion pieces of photographic evidence of him on the beach not doing his job as President:

In the paraphrased words of Sean Hannity, let's try to stay focused here. We weren't talking about the beach. We were talking about TV and drooling. To help refresh your memory, here's a quick recap.

You started with: one can't spend one's Presidency watching Matlock and eating pudding, and that's when he's not drooling.

Then I said: That's so ridiculous it's not even worthy of a response.

To which you replied: Everything I posted was factual. and He's spent about half of his first term doing just that.

So I challenged you: Show me any shred of evidence that Biden sits around watching TV and drooling.

Your reply was: I don't follow the man 24/7, so I'm not omnipotent like ChatNPC is. Maybe he'll know.

To which I gave a presumptive close: So you're admitting that you have zero evidence for your claim that Biden watches TV and drools ...

And that gets us to your change of subject above. Now, let's get back to the topic.

I'm going to assume that you haven't been in the White House personally witnessing Biden watching Matlock and eating pudding when he's not drooling. So you had to get that idea from somewhere. Where did you read or hear it? That's all I'm asking for. What leads you to believe your statement that started all of this is true? It must be based on something, right? What is that something? What is your source?

--Peter
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In the paraphrased words of Sean Hannity, let's try to stay focused here.

Indeed! The subject is Joe Biden’s rapidly declining faculties, which can’t be glossed over any longer and even the democrat party’s propaganda arms have taken notice.

You’ve been trying to flip the focus, not me. Not working out for you so far.

Biden’s unfit for office, and that fact is giving many on here the vapors. Perhaps this piece of information - long known by, oh, everyone else in the country - is coming as a shock to a lot of posters.

That’s fair. They say that sudden doses of reality often feel like being doused with a bucket of ice cold water. So it’s understandable that your nervous system might be a bit discombobulated.

Take your time recovering. I’ll wait.
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The subject is Joe Biden’s rapidly declining faculties

Yes, it is. And you have claimed that decline shows up by watching TV and drooling.

All I'm asking for is why you think this. Where did you read it or see it?


You’ve been trying to flip the focus, not me.

Not at all. I'm staying right on topic. All I've asked for - twice now - is the source for your information.

Take your time recovering.

As you can see, I need no recovery time. I'm just fine.

I'll wait for your answer to my question - a question which is right on the topic you have chosen.

--Peter
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Yes, it is</iL

Good! Finally we agree on something. Excellent job!

Your guy has cognitive problems and, should he win, is unlikely to make it another 4 years. There’s plenty of Matlock to watch, though.

Btw: https://nypost.com/2021/07/30/joe-biden-gets-aides...

Toodles!
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Dope,

Both the Wall Street Journal and the NY Post are owned by Murdoch.

I have 787,500,000 reasons not to trust anything that comes from a Murdoch owned source.

And probably more reasons to come.
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Your guy has cognitive problems

That is your claim. I’m not agreeing with it - not yet. All I’m asking is for you to tell me why you believe that.

This isn’t a difficult request. Just one simple link to your source.

Why can’t you do that?

—Peter
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I'll wait for your answer to my question - a question which is right on the topic you have chosen.

You'll be waiting forever.

Unlike the right-wing media he faithfully regurgitates, Dope cannot go to a station break, so he blows a little smoke, tries a little gaslighting, waits out the person waiting to tire of the thread.

I hope you can type >120 wpm so as to not spend too much time asking Dope to answer questions directly. He cannot.

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That is your claim

There are only two types of people who don’t believe Biden is cognitively impaired - those that get their news from the Baghdad Bobs in the left wing media bubble and the nascent paranoid sociopaths who think that the other side wants to install a dictatorship and somethingsomethingsomething.
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Dope:There are only two types of people who don’t believe Biden is cognitively impaired - those that get their news from the Baghdad Bobs in the left wing media bubble and the nascent paranoid sociopaths who think that the other side wants to install a dictatorship and somethingsomethingsomething.

More blowing smoke, distraction, misdirection, straw men, outright lies, and the simple reason is he has no info, etc., on Biden, but there;s loads of cognitive decline info on Trump. I'm so used to it I take it for granted and don't bother following up. I had to do some outside sealing and painting for my wife so I could get back to fixin my sprinkler system - no time for the obvious.

We've built up a lot of international goodwill that can be trashed if Trump gets another term. I have no faith he'll honor any international commitment, and he has no real idea bout foreign policy, and let's face it if Project 2025 gets even half of what it's planning. it will take decades to recover - and there's the prospect we might not recover. This could be the beginning of the decline - even though the economic engine is running solidly with a slight concern about inflation, the perception is that it isn't. We need to get parties out of the housing market so we can deliver basic housing at an affordable price. We need somehow to drive a stake through the heart of MAGA, which is threatening to destroy America, and get back a sane GOP. The key may be housing - I'm willing to give it a shot.
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More blowing smoke, distraction, misdirection, straw men

Sorry, that stuff came straight from the other guy. Not my fault the arrow hit close to the mark. Looks like you’re 1 of the two types also (and btw, I try not to insult someone unless they’ve insulted me first. Once that happens it’s Game on.)

I’ve dealt with whack libs for a looong time on the Fool: crybullies who think they can issue blood insults to everyone they meet yet wilt under even mild pushback (which I’m offering in this thread).

Get real. The tHEY’rE cOMING fOR Me rhetoric doesn’t do anything except rile up the not-insignificant portion of the democrat base that’s predisposed to cray-cray. If Trump wins they’re going to wake up to the same country you woke up to in 2017-2020.

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Dope: "There are only two types of people who ....." blah blah blah.

Everything beyond the first 8 words is BS. Lou Gossett did it better. "There's only 2 things that comes from Kansas; steers and queers. I don't see no horns on your head, boy, so you must be a queer."
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There are only two types of people who don’t believe Biden is cognitively impaired

Ok, then. You can't (or won't) answer the question. You don't have any source or any evidence that Biden is cognitively impaired. You simply want me to believe it by saying it over and over (and over and over and over and ...)

Since I kind of like Reagan's "trust but verify" idea, I can't verify your source because you won't (or can't) provide it, so I don't trust you to be telling the truth here.

If you want to convince me, give me some evidence. Give me your source.

Until then, I'm out. You can have the last unbelievable word.

--Peter
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He engaged in a logical fallacy: the false dichotomy (forget the specific name for it). So I just ignored it.

As you say, give me evidence or go home.
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More blowing smoke, distraction, misdirection, straw men

Sorry, that stuff came straight from the other guy.
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No, it's you dope, that's all you, and what's more, you know it and don't care. It doesn't bother you at all to lie, gaslight, misdirect, misrepresent, tell half truths, fake laughter, create straw men, deliberately attempt to create confusion.

The is no "they're coming for me", it's "they're coming for our democratic institutions". Our society was run quite a bit on norms and behavioral institutional understandings that P2025 plans on trashing. Since Trump tried to trash them last time, I assume he'll relish the job. And where there are laws in the way, the reinterpretations of the law are already stockpiled and waiting for the yes-men lackeys as they fire anyone that gets in the way. Our only hope is a few people come to their senses and vote to keep our democratic institutions and way of life that the rest of us want to keep. The Deep State doesn't exist. It's all pretty much in the open and seen much better in DC.



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You don't have any source or any evidence that Biden is cognitively impaired.

LOL. This is the PA lib two-step. Raise the bar to an impossible point (no matter what I'd post you'll dismiss it) then declare victory.

One more time: only 2 types believe Biden isn't cognitively impaired.

It didn't have to be this way but you decided to be a snarky ass in your other thread. Now you're learning that actions create reactions. Good luck!
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We need somehow to drive a stake through the heart of MAGA, which is threatening to destroy America, and get back a sane GOP.

I think Trump has killed the GOP.

I think we need a new conservative political party that actually has conservative principles, conservative values, and believes in the Constitution. One that fights for votes based on ideas, not one that constantly tries to rig the system to win.

Everything Trump touches dies.
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Your guy has cognitive problems

He looks like an 81 year old man.

Trump looks and acts like a spoiled child with attention deficit disorder. Of course it could be the dementia.
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It doesn't bother you at all to lie, gaslight, misdirect, misrepresent, tell half truths, fake laughter, create straw men, deliberately attempt to create confusion.

That sums MAGA/Trumperism pretty well.
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We should have a rainbow leading to a red chest with GOP and a skull and crossbones. :) Naah, gays have enough problems.
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LOL. This is the PA lib two-step. Raise the bar to an impossible point (no matter what I'd post you'll dismiss it) then declare victory

Give us a reliable source for Biden drooling and watching Matlock. You can't because you made it up - otherwise known as a lie.
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LOL. This is the PA lib two-step. Raise the bar to an impossible point (no matter what I'd post you'll dismiss it) then declare victory

Is the impossible bar simply asking you not to LIE? Wow.
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Dope:"You don't have any source or any evidence that Biden is cognitively impaired.LOL. This is the PA lib two-step. Raise the bar to an impossible point"

Of course it's impossible. That is Dope projecting; doing the 'right-wing shuffle', with his pants down around his ankles because evidence doesn't exist to support his endless flooding of the zone with sh!t.
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Dope perpetuating alie: "Let's just apply thing finishing touches to the left with some observations from the European press about Biden, shall we?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28495274/joe-biden-f...

IN JOE MOTION Doddery Biden is ‘the worst he’s ever been’ – everyone is worried, say G7 insiders as video shows him shuffling away
Watch Biden's latest concerning incident in the clip above"




Gullible right-wingers fell for a viciously dishonest editing of Biden & G7 leaders watching parachutists demonstration. Biden was watching one of 2 landing groups.... not wandering, not confused.

The Sun and dupes repeating lies (like Dope) perpetuate the lie that Biden was displaying confusion. He was, in fact impressed by the squad landing to his left, while others were watching a group to the right.

Accurate videos detailing the intentional editing by pro-Trump media:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/06/14...
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I hope you can type >120 wpm so as to not spend too much time

I used to type like a hurricane - about 75 wpm, with gusts to 90. Can't do that any more.

But fear not, I will drop things once sufficiently proven to be pointless. Hopefully, some other lurkers may benefit from the eye-opening experience.

--Peter
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We need to get parties out of the housing market so we can deliver basic housing at an affordable price.

I don't think it's political parties as it is NIMBYs, at least here in California. But it's so bad now that municipalities, Dem or Rep, are changing zoning laws to allow multi units in residential zones.
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If you think Biden has "advanced dementia", clearly you have never been in a room with someone who has advanced dementia.

If Biden has dementia (and that is unclear), it is far less advanced than Trump's. Trump (in my non-professional opinion) definitely has it. And even he is not yet "advanced". But he is mistaking his rape victim for his second wife, his train of thought is all over the place, and his memory is starting to fail. Give him maybe 5 years and he won't recognize Ivanka.

"Advanced dementia" is typified by paranoia (usually that everyone is stealing your stuff), not recognizing family or friends, not remembering where you put things (which feeds into "people are stealing my stuff"), reverting to old behaviors**, etc. 1poormom was entering that stage when she stroked-out. The last time I visited her, we were there for an hour before she realized who we (1poorlady and me) were. If she had lasted maybe another year, she likely wouldn't have recognized me at all. They had to restrain her when in the hospital because she would try to get out of bed with IV still attached, and couldn't seem to understand they had a device that allowed for in-bed urination***.

Neither POTUS candidate can be said to have advanced dementia.

This isn't a joking matter. It's tragic for someone's brain to -in essence- melt away. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, even a detestable piece of human garbage like Trump. It affects everyone around them.




**1poormom started using vernacular that she likely used in the 40s and 50s that was completely inappropriate by even the 80s, much less the 21st century. I never heard her use it before, but she was using near the end.

***For men they use catheters, but for women they have this really slick device that just has to be held against the genitals by underwear, and it sucks up any liquid that is emitted.
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If Biden has dementia (and that is unclear), it is far less advanced than Trump's.

Biden's a hollow shell of himself. That's not even up for debate.

Watch his pupils at the next debate. They'll be massively dilated from all the speed or adrenaline they're going to have to pump him full of.



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You can declare it is not up for debate all you like, but I dispute it vigorously. Biden is old. But he's still doing well for someone his age. Is he the same as he was during the Obama administration? Of course not.

If you're concerned about that, then you should really be concerned about Trump. He seems to be showing signs of early dementia. Not Biden.
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You can declare it is not up for debate all you like, but I dispute it vigorously. Biden is old. But he's still doing well for someone his age. Is he the same as he was during the Obama administration? Of course not.

Doing well? At what?
Biden:
*Routinely ends his day early...like 1PM early. (Go look at his schedule or Google "Biden calls early lid"
*Has spent over a year of his time in Delaware
*Routinely freezes up in public
*Basically speaks gibberish in public (and no, that's not this nonexistent stutter)
*Has to have aides walk in front of him so that nobody sees his shuffling gait

None of that is healthy and none of it is indicative someone "doing well" for his age.

Again: Watch his pupils during the debates, assuming he shows up.
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Dope1: *Routinely ends his day early...like 1PM early. (Go look at his schedule or Google "Biden calls early lid"

Okay, I looked.

Here's Thursday June 13:
3:00 AM
Official Schedule The President receives the President’s Daily Brief [9:00 am Local]
Hotel Masseria San Domenico, Savelletri, Italy
Closed Press
4:40 AM
Official Schedule The President departs en route to Borgo Egnazia [10:40 am Local]
Hotel Masseria San Domenico, Savelletri, Italy
Out-of-Town Pool
4:50 AM
Official Schedule The President arrives to Borgo Egnazia and participates in an official greet
with Prime Minister Meloni of Italy [10:50 am Local]
Borgo Egnazia, Savelletri, Italy
Out-of-Town Pool
5:00 AM
Official Schedule The President participates in a group photo with G7 leaders [11:00 am Local]
Borgo Egnazia, Savelletri, Italy
Out-of-Town Pool
5:15 AM
Official Schedule The President participates in Working Session I of the G7 Summit [11:15 am
Local]
Borgo Egnazia, Savelletri, Italy
Out-of-Town Pool Spray
6:45 AM
Official Schedule The President participates in Working Session II of the G7 Summit [12:45 pm
Local]
Borgo Egnazia, Savelletri, Italy
Closed Press
8:15 AM
Official Schedule The President participates in Working Session III A of the G7 Summit [2:15 pm
Local]
Borgo Egnazia, Savelletri, Italy
Out-of-Town Pool Spray
9:15 AM
Official Schedule The President participates in Working Session III B of the G7 Summit [3:15 pm
Local]
Borgo Egnazia, Savelletri, Italy
Closed Press
11:00 AM
Official Schedule The President participates in a Partnership for Global Infrastructure and
Investment Event [5:00 pm Local]
Full Text and Analysis
Borgo Egnazia, Savelletri, Italy
Out-of-Town Pool
12:05 PM
Official Schedule The President views a skydiving demonstration and participates in a group
photo with G7 leaders [6:05 pm Local]
Borgo Egnazia, Savelletri, Italy
Out-of-Town Pool
1:45 PM
Official Schedule The President signs a bilateral security agreement with Ukraine and holds a
joint press conference with President Zelenskyy of Ukraine [7:45 pm Local]

Sounds like a 11, 12-hour work day. What a slacker.
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Dope1: *Routinely ends his day early...like 1PM early. (Go look at his schedule or Google "Biden calls early lid"

This is from Dope who only uses the best sources. /s

OTOH, Trump was the laziest ass to ever sit in the Whitehouse. Couldn't be bothered to read or listen to the daily briefing. Watched FOX news and only seemed to enjoy himself when the person responsible for stroking his monstrous ego read him flattering bullshit from sycophants.

There is no comparison between Trump and Biden in which Trump is going to come out looking better. Nope.
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Nice try, ChatNPC. That was on his foreign trip when they have to pump him up.

What about when he's at home? https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/08/10/bidens-lig...

When you object to the source - and you will, because it's pro forma here for libs to pretend news they don't like is made up - don't worry, there's plenty more where that came from.

Meanwhile, literally anyone can see what's going on:

https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/18023884279684878...

But it's X, so it must be fake!

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What about when he's at home? https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/08/10/bidens-lig...

So you CAN provide sources when you want to. Very interesting.

--Peter
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ptheland: So you CAN provide sources when you want to.

Sure, lousy ones:

Media Bias Fact Check: Overall, we rate Bizpac Review Right Biased based on story selection and editorial positions that almost always favor the right. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to poor sources, misleading loaded language, and several failed fact checks.

Busy day... gotta' run.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bizpac-review/
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Sure, lousy ones:

I expected nothing less. 😀

But in this case, it appears to be at least factual, even if biased.

Looks like Biden took a long weekend at home in Delaware one weekend almost three years ago.

Apparently that one event means he’s old and worn out. It’s not like any other President has taken a day off from time to time to go do something else. Golf, perhaps?

—Peter
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Date: 06/18/2024 5:09 PM
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You believe what you want to believe, and facts be damned :).

https://x.com/RNCResearch/status/18031477209761427...

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I don't think it's political parties as it is NIMBYs, at least here in California. But it's so bad now that municipalities, Dem or Rep, are changing zoning laws to allow multi units in residential zones.


My mistake to use "parties". There are "entities" buying up houses, making quick repairs (lipstick on a pig, etc.) and flipping them. Where I am the multi-units are on designated roads and neighborhoods. California is good for multi-story rental units, and I have seen a few smaller units, but not that many townhouses, or 3-4 housing units in one building.

We want young folks to have a stab at buying that old house that needs a new roof and figuring the new roof into the house loan. Any time there are too many profiteers between the original seller and the ultimate buyer we have a problem. Then mix in B&Bs, even more of a problem. I'm not sure how we are going to do that.
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But it's so bad now that municipalities, Dem or Rep, are changing zoning laws to allow multi units in residential zones.

It's tough for older neighborhoods that have very narrow streets and no sidewalks to absorb the extra vehicles that result from ADUs being shoehorned in.

A big problem in small resort locations is the purchase of homes by hotel chains that want to compete withe the STR companies (Air BnB,VRBO)

And then there are the guys like Trump's Secy Treasury, Steve Mnuchin, aptly dubbed 'the foreclosure king' for his company's aggressive tactics against naive signers of documents.
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