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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
Number: of 3959 
Subject: Biden's budget guts the Navy
Date: 03/30/2023 1:19 PM
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I'll have more to say about why this is a catastrophically bad move, but for now let's just leave this here:

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/sinking-o...

President Joe Biden's 2024 budget proposal would deal a massive blow to the already strained American Navy'the White House wants to prematurely retire eight ships and two combat vessels. By taking these ships out of action, the Navy would lose more than 600 vertical launch missile systems'a missile capability that serves as the primary deterrent to Chinese military attacks in the Pacific, according to congressional research provided to the Washington Free Beacon.

Now, most budgetary exercises with respect to the military end up being full of bluff: the Air Force always says they want to retire the A-10, and magically enough money is always found to fund whatever other thing they want *and* they A-10. Of course, one day a Wise President will call their bluff and say to them, "Fine. You don't want the A-10? I'm transferring all the planes, pilots, and support crews over to the Army today". The bluff would end right there.

I'll be charitable and say that Biden doesn't really want these cuts and that they know the GOP-led House won't go for it, but who knows.

Details on the ships being cut; I actually don't have a problem with reducing the old Ticonderoga class cruisers. Those could and should be replaced with more Arleigh Burke destroyers. And the Littoral Combat Ships are pieces of sh1t:
https://news.usni.org/2023/03/20/secnav-cno-pushin...

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Author: sheila727   😊 😞
Number: of 48467 
Subject: Re: Biden's budget guts the Navy
Date: 03/30/2023 1:23 PM
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Biden's budget guts the Navy.... how in the world does this political and military defense issue belong on the Atheist board?
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Author: commonone 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Biden's budget guts the Navy
Date: 03/30/2023 1:51 PM
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Dope1: I'll have more to say about why this is a catastrophically bad move, but for now let's just leave this here:

https://freebeacon...



Instead of the Free Beacon (which according to Media Bias Fact Check has a mixed record for factual reporting due to misleading and false claims), here's what Defense News (which is rated Least Biased based on balanced news reporting and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing of information) has to say:

The Navy is proposing the early retirement of LCSs Jackson and Montgomery, which were commissioned in 2015 and 2016 respectively. These ships were meant to serve for 25 years.

This proposal comes, simply, because the Navy bought more ships than it now says it needs.


Rear Adm. John Gumbleton, the deputy assistant secretary of the Navy for budget and director of fiscal management, said the Navy's requests to decommission 11 ships in fiscal 2024, including eight ahead of their planned end of service life were done after a ship-by-ship review to understand the material state of each of the ships and that 'for the cruisers and [amphibs], the decision to request this divestment was based on material condition, life remaining, cost and then time to upgrade, and of course the resultant warfighting value. These six vessels did not pass."

So, the ships did not pass the return-on-investment analysis.

In addition, under the Biden administration the Navy and Marine Corps' budget would grow by more than $11 billion next year, the most of any of the military services

The Navy and Marine Corps' budget would increase from the $244.7 billion Congress enacted for fiscal 2023 to nearly $256 billion in the next fiscal year. The new money would fund improvements to shipyards, submarines and upgrades to the fleet to make ships more lethal and survivable.


https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2023/03/13/why-t....

https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon/2023/03/11/wh...
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden's budget guts the Navy
Date: 03/30/2023 3:13 PM
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China is a key Blue State.

Liberals want to placate them.
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden's budget guts the Navy
Date: 03/31/2023 3:54 PM
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Biden's budget guts the Navy.... how in the world does this political and military defense issue belong on the Atheist board?


Because it's an ungodly budget cut?
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Author: commonone 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Biden's budget guts the Navy
Date: 04/01/2023 3:56 PM
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WiltonKnight: Because it's an ungodly budget cut?

Well, sure, math is hard but please explain to us how a budget increase from the $244.7 billion Congress enacted for fiscal 2023 to nearly $256 billion in the next fiscal year for the Navy and Marine Corps is a cut, let alone an ungodly budget cut. Thanks.
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden's budget guts the Navy
Date: 04/01/2023 6:34 PM
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It's the same kind of math when the rate of growth is slowed in Medicare or other programs.....even though the spending remains the same or more - and only the growth slowed --- some say "Republicans are cutting" it......

Been that way for decades.


What's good for the goose.



The beauty is: THIS is how America will end up debating awesome changes coming in things like Social Security, Medicare , AI, etc....

This is gonna be cool
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden's budget guts the Navy
Date: 04/01/2023 9:31 PM
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Well, sure, math is hard but please explain to us how a budget increase from the $244.7 billion Congress enacted for fiscal 2023 to nearly $256 billion in the next fiscal year for the Navy and Marine Corps is a cut, let alone an ungodly budget cut. Thanks.

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Don't know if this happened here but with baseline budgeting, a reduction in the amount of a once "intended" increase is a budget cut scream the defenders of the program.
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