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In December 2024, in the thread "Re: BRK: Why Not XOM?", BreckHutHigh asked the members: "What about the long road trips with kids?" This week it is put to everyone again. The button below opens the small thread re-asking it - read what others have said so far, then give your own answer as an ordinary reply.
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Author: sano ✶✹🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Carbon vs Renewable
Date: 06/22/24 1:27 AM
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"HF?"

In nasty quantities in the Moss Landing, AZ BESS fire, and recently the Otay Mesa fire that reignited and burned for nearly 3 weeks. Building it between the highschool, the tourism center and the only escape route is such a Texas thing for Vistra to do.

"Our quantitative study of the emission gases from Li-ion battery fires covers a wide range of battery types. We found that commercial lithium-ion batteries can emit considerable amounts of HF during a fire and that the emission rates vary for different types of batteries and SOC levels. POF3, on the other hand, was found only in one of the cell types and only at 0% SOC. The use of water mist as an extinguishing agent may promote the formation of unwanted gases as in eqs (2)–(3) and our limited measurements show an increase of HF production rate during the application of water mist, however, no significant difference in the total amount of HF formed with or without the use of water mist."

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov: Toxic fluoride gas emissions from lithium-ion battery fires
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