Personal Finance Topics / Macroeconomic Trends and Risks❤
No. of Recommendations: 5
I'd say that this significantly raises the stakes for the Democrats, if voters aren't persuaded on the health care cuts.
{{The White House budget office is instructing federal agencies to prepare reduction-in-force plans for mass firings during a possible government shutdown, specifically targeting employees who work for programs that are not legally required to continue.
The Office of Management and Budget move to permanently reduce the government workforce if there is a shutdown, outlined in a memo shared with POLITICO ahead of release to agencies tonight, escalates the stakes of a potential shutdown next week.
In the memo, OMB told agencies to identify programs, projects and activities where discretionary funding will lapse on Oct. 1 and no alternative funding source is available. For those areas, OMB directed agencies to begin drafting RIF plans that would go beyond standard furloughs, permanently eliminating jobs in programs not consistent with the President Trump's priorities in the event of a shutdown. }}
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/24/white-hou...intercst
No. of Recommendations: 13
I'd say that this significantly raises the stakes for the Democrats, if voters aren't persuaded on the health care cuts.
Republicans control the executive branch.
Republicans control the House.
Republicans control the Senate.
Republicans control the SCOTUS.
Republicans would be the people doing the mass firings.
And it’s the Democrat’s fault?
Good luck messaging that.
PS - people are kind of fond of their health care. I suspect people would support politicians who fight to keep their healthcare.
No. of Recommendations: 5
... begin drafting RIF plans that would go beyond standard furloughs, permanently eliminating jobs in programs not consistent with the President Trump's priorities in the event of a shutdown.
So...where is the incentive for Trump to agree to anything? He gets all the programs eliminated that he wants to eliminate, without Congress' approval, and he can blame Congress for it. Why not sit on his hands, and let it all play out? Don't start crying about all the Proles that will be hurt. As offered before, in the eyes of a "JC", and Trump absolutely is a "JC", we Proles are nothing but expendable meat.
Steve....HBTT
No. of Recommendations: 3
Since the Trumplethinskin regime (I refuse to call it a government.) is hiring back thousands of workers DOGE gave months long vacations to do the jobs they were doing before they were laid off with pay, why won't that be the case with the shutdown?
No. of Recommendations: 3
is hiring back thousands of workers DOGE gave months long vacations to
iirc, the people DOGE tossed were deemed redundant, but they turned out to not be redundant. The budget impasse is giving Trump the opportunity to entirely close departments that he otherwise could not shut down without the approval of Congress?
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 2
PS - people are kind of fond of their health care. I suspect people would support politicians who fight to keep their healthcare.
Very much yes.
Let's see, $200,000,000 for ICE roundups and camps, and $20,000,000 for the Argentinian junta?
That should make a very nice dent in continuing the ACA subsidies which Americans——particularly red-state Americans——desperately need and depend upon.
We just need to get our priorities straight.
No. of Recommendations: 4
Very much yes.
Let's see, $200,000,000 for ICE roundups and camps, and $20,000,000 for the Argentinian junta?
That should make a very nice dent in continuing the ACA subsidies which Americans——particularly red-state Americans——desperately need and depend upon.
We just need to get our priorities straight.
Oh my sainted Aunt——talk about a budget shortfall! I left off a whole bunch of zeros.
That should read $200,000,000,000 for Auschwitz Barbie, and $20,000,000,000 for Milei and his No Buenos Aires.
We regret the error, and this administration, or infestation, as I like to think of it.
No. of Recommendations: 2
...eliminating jobs in programs not consistent with the President Trump's priorities...
"Trump's priorities"...grifting and turning our democracy into an autocracy.
No. of Recommendations: 1
And it’s the Democrat’s fault?
Good luck messaging that.
They will have plenty of help with the messaging from FOX et al.
This is a serious problem. Inside the MAGA bubble there is no reality.
No. of Recommendations: 9
intercst: I'd say that this significantly raises the stakes for the Democrats, if voters aren't persuaded on the health care cuts.
{{The White House budget office is instructing federal agencies to prepare reduction-in-force plans for mass firings...
Umm, err, what are you even talking about?
I hate to break it to you like this but Trumpedo has been conducting mass firings for months with a complete disregard for the law.
No. of Recommendations: 4
I hate to break it to you like this but Trumpedo has been conducting mass firings for months with a complete disregard for the law.
Yes, I remember when Al would patiently explain why the law wouldn't allow what Dope was thinking and Dope, would say something like. "We'll see." Dope is just fine with breaking the law on pretense, detaining indefinitely people he doesn't like, etc. The law is for thee, but not for me. I'm concerned my friends are going to be let go in the coming shutdown. Miller has no clue.
No. of Recommendations: 3
Yes, I remember when Al would patiently explain why the law wouldn't allow what Dope was thinking and Dope, would say something like. "We'll see." Dope is just fine with breaking the law on pretense, detaining indefinitely people he doesn't like, etc. The law is for thee, but not for me. I'm concerned my friends are going to be let go in the coming shutdown. Miller has no clue.
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You left out the part whereby as these issues worked their way through the courts, Trump mostly prevailed.
No. of Recommendations: 3
You left out the part whereby as these issues worked their way through the courts, Trump mostly prevailed.
Yep. This.
Government workers by and large report up through the executive branch. Some folks just don't want to accept that Trump runs the exec branch.
No. of Recommendations: 11
Some folks just don't want to accept that Trump runs the exec branch.
Yep, he runs it. He runs it right into the ground.
No. of Recommendations: 10
bighairymike:
You left out the part whereby as these issues worked their way through the courts, Trump mostly prevailed.Dope1:
Yep. ThisUmm, nope.
Most lower courts have ruled that the firings were unlawful.
A judge in Maryland ordered temporary reinstatement of thousands of employees, finding that some agencies acted unlawfully in mass firing probationary employees without proper notice. The Department of Agriculture was required to reinstate nearly 6,000 probationary employees. Same at other agencies.
Earlier this month, a federal district court
ruled that the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) acted unlawfully when it directed federal agencies to terminate more than 25,000 probationary employees at the start of 2025.
The decision, issued by Judge William Alsup of the Northern District of California, September 12, 2025, concluded that the OPM exceeded its statutory authority by ordering removals and requiring agencies to use pre-drafted termination letters citing performance as the reason, even though performance was not the true basis for the separations.The Shadow Docket Supreme Court allowed certain probationary terminations to go forward, not because it decided the firings were lawful, but due to standing or procedural issues.
https://www.newsweek.com/federal-workers-fired-tru...
No. of Recommendations: 4
You left out the part whereby as these issues worked their way through the courts, Trump mostly prevailed.
I don't think he has mostly prevailed, a lot is till working its way through, but the use of the shadow docket means it really gets decided later.
No. of Recommendations: 2
I don't think he has mostly prevailed,<b. a lot is till working its way through,
Lord Trump is expert at keeping things tied up in litigation, for years, unless he gets the result he wants.
Steve...HBTT
No. of Recommendations: 3
Yep, he runs it. He runs it right into the ground.
LOUDNOISES! LOOOOOOUUUUUUUUDNOISES!
...or something.
No. of Recommendations: 1
LOUDNOISES! LOOOOOOUUUUUUUUDNOISES!
...or something.
Not with the proper corks in place.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Government workers by and large report up through the executive branch.
Trump fires probationary employees because the rest have some protection. If you have family and kids, you have to think about taking that promotion to a supervisory position because it has a one year probationary period.
