Halls of Shrewd'm / US Policy❤
No. of Recommendations: 6
"Fraud is the micro; fascism is the macro. Fraud is the means; fascism is the end goal for these people. Fraud is the way they bankroll themselves (not just Trump but also Alex Jones, Steve Bannon, et al.). Fascism is their ultimate objective, whereby they will control an entire country and its government, privatizing it and selling it off to loyal cronies — a la Putin and the Oligarchs. They want to privatize the entire school system, the military, the post office, the National Weather Service, any government entity they can monetize for their own personal gain. "
This is where the Trump corruption will take us.
Bears repeating.
Why can't at least the smarter and better informed among the MAGAs see this?
No. of Recommendations: 5
Why can't at least the smarter and better informed among the MAGAs see this?
They do, but they think they'll be ok anyway and they're afraid of gay people (and trans, and women, and immigrants, and ...)
No. of Recommendations: 3
They do, but they think they'll be ok anyway
I was going to say they think they'll profit anyway - monetarily mostly, but some are in it for the power.
No. of Recommendations: 2
>>They want to privatize the entire school system, the military, the post office, the National Weather Service, any government entity they can monetize for their own personal gain. "<<
This is where the Trump corruption will take us.
Bears repeating.
Why can't at least the smarter and better informed among the MAGAs see this? - ges
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I am ashamed to admit that I must not be among the smarter and better informed MAGA's. So as I strive for enlightenment, could you explain the mechanics of how getting rid of the National Weather Service can be monetized for their own personal gain?
No. of Recommendations: 9
I am ashamed to admit that I must not be among the smarter and better informed MAGA's. So as I strive for enlightenment, could you explain the mechanics of how getting rid of the National Weather Service can be monetized for their own personal gain? There is a significant faction of both MAGA ad the traditional Republican Party that thinks anything government does can be better done by private industry. (Variant: everything government does is bad.) The National Weather Service is one which has been targeted, and in fact survived an onslaught in Congress several years ago.
The head of AccuWeather, a heavy contributor to Republicans, got several to propose a bill to privatize all weather service, (never mind that he already made a handsome living from it). The base information, of course, is provided by government satellites and forecasters using computation models developed by government over many decades.
It turned out that AccuWeather had forecast a tornado for a particular part of the Midwest, but only bothered to tell its paying subscribers. (The NWS did so as well, but a bit later.) Not a good look to say the least.
What seems to elude some is that there are thing that are “a public good.” Roads, schools, and yes, weather forecasts. A public safety issue should not be outsourced to a company which wants to sell you protection for a price, and if you cannot or choose not to pay, some of us believe that’s OK, you should still have such information to do with as you please. Some don’t, and want to make a buck.
One of the complaints is that private weather services (of which there are literally hundreds) have to “compete” with the government which provides weather information free to the public. Some of us feel the same way about having public monies used to pay for private schools, and especially private religious schools.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/14/politics/noaa-nomin...
No. of Recommendations: 2
>>I am ashamed to admit that I must not be among the smarter and better informed MAGA's. So as I strive for enlightenment, could you explain the mechanics of how getting rid of the National Weather Service can be monetized for their own personal gain?<<
The head of AccuWeather, a heavy contributor to Republicans, got several to propose a bill to privatize all weather service, (never mind that he already made a handsome living from it). - GH
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So Trumps paths to personal enrichment is that one of his contributors will gain additional wealth and in a position to donate even greater amounts to Trump.
Thank you for that answer although it seems the dependency on contributions is rather indirect and weak. After all, when Trump becomes a dictator he no longer needs campaigns and hence campaign donors.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Why can't at least the smarter and better informed among the MAGAs see this?
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Because of you and your attitude towards all of them.
Remember,r you are on Trump's payroll and always have been.
Do you get dental?
No. of Recommendations: 12
So as I strive for enlightenment, could you explain the mechanics of how getting rid of the National Weather Service can be monetized for their own personal gain?
Your lack of knowledge as evidenced by that question is precisely why it's so dangerous/damaging to allow experts to be replaced by loyal ideologues.
So many industries depend on NOAA and NWS that crippling or privatizing it would be unthinkable.... if you were aware of the myriad way we depend on the unbiased 24/7 service it provides.
No. of Recommendations: 1
>>So as I strive for enlightenment, could you explain the mechanics of how getting rid of the National Weather Service can be monetized for their own personal gain?<<
Your lack of knowledge as evidenced by that question is precisely why it's so dangerous/damaging to allow experts to be replaced by loyal ideologues.
So many industries depend on NOAA and NWS that crippling or privatizing it would be unthinkable.... if you were aware of the myriad way we depend on the unbiased 24/7 service it provides. - sano
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Nobody said industries don't depend on NOAA and NWS.
My question asked for support for the assertion that getting rid of the National Weather Service would line Trumps pockets. I simply asked how Trump would get paid, I did not ask how important NOAA and NWS are.
Goofy's answer at least proposed the mechanics of how enrichment would occur by claiming that a Trump donor would increase his donations upon the demise of the NWS.
No. of Recommendations: 1
BHMThank you for that answer although it seems the dependency on contributions is rather indirect and weak. After all, when Trump becomes a dictator he no longer needs campaigns and hence campaign donors
It will be enough for me if Trump bends the will of the DOJ and gets them to investigated his political enemies and plain enemies. I will consider he consider he is behaving like a dictator then, and that is one of the hallmarks. If he privatizes any part of government without Congressional input - dictatorial powers. If he does something clearly illegal and is somehow cleared by judges he appointed - dictator. If he reaches down and replaces anything beyond the 4000 to 6000 politically replaceable employees - I'll watch closely and listen. Of course, y'all will be just cheering him on if he does any of that.
Y'all got chicken feed at the last minute on the tax break, and it was taken back too - no tax break for you now, but the 10% have theirs still.
The internment camps mystify me as they'll be expensive to run, especially with planes flying out every day. Please don't tear families apart. If Granpa never got his citizenship, lets make an exception and not tear families apart. Granpa won't hurt us and he's done reproducing so he will not replace us. Let's not send young kids back unless there's a family at the other end. Would you please use a little humanity here? It will go a long way for your kids to be able to stomach what Daddy did.
He doesn't have to rape the treasury, he will be in a position to sell favors, grant pardons, etc., for profit and there will be some.
No. of Recommendations: 7
After all, when Trump becomes a dictator he no longer needs campaigns and hence campaign donors.Putin's relationship with oligarchs did not end when he ascended to the top spot. Check out his relationship, for example, with oligarch Roman Abramovich. Roman Abramovich's yachts, Solaris and Eclipse, with their hardened hulls and ports, "missile detection system, missile launchers and self-defense systems," and military communications systems for Putin's benefit.
https://www.yachtworld.com/research/roman-abramovi...
No. of Recommendations: 11
I simply asked how Trump would get paid
Again, look at the relationship between Putin and Roman Abramovich to understand the ongoing mutual benefit. Putin let's Abramovich kill whoever he wants to grow his empire.... Abramovich kicks back to Putin.
Think Clarence Thomas and his billionaire benefactor. Is it really that obscure for you to grasp the potential for corrupt in oligarch/government official realtionships?
Think Musk/Trump and industrial favors. DeVos/Trump school money favors. It ain't rocket science.
No. of Recommendations: 3
>>I simply asked how Trump would get paid<<
Again, look at the relationship between Putin and Roman Abramovich to understand the ongoing mutual benefit. Putin let's Abramovich kill whoever he wants to grow his empire.... Abramovich kicks back to Putin.
Think Clarence Thomas and his billionaire benefactor. Is it really that obscure for you to grasp the potential for corrupt in oligarch/government official realtionships? - sano
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My question was posed in response to a TDS driven post that Trump would financially benefit from the elimination of the National Weather Service. Realizing how silly that proposition was, I asked "How would that work?"
Rather than answer my question, various of you have launched into a screed about general corruption. Fine, by doing so, you are admitting the NWS example was silly. That's all.
No. of Recommendations: 14
My question was posed in response to a TDS driven post that Trump would financially benefit from the elimination of the National Weather Service. Realizing how silly that proposition was, I asked "How would that work?"
No, you asked how THEY would get paid. “They” are the people who would profit from privatization of a formerly taxpayer funded service. AccuWeather would clearly stand to make a lot of money if you couldn’t get your forecast “free.” (Even if you could, say on radio or TV, *they* - the radio/tv stations, internet apps, newspapers etc. would have to pay to access the information. Of course AccuWeather could write into their contracts that the forecasts could not be retransmitted if they chose.
The PRIVATEERS would benefit, the public would lose.) It was the head of AccuWeather, along with his co-owner brother who, through use of sloshing around lobbyist funds, convinced several Reps to introduce a bill to do just that: to fill AccuWeather’s pockets with coin. Then it came out how venal they had been: warning paying customers about approaching tornados, and not bothering to tell anyone else.
This is not unlike the oligarchy set-up in Russia, where formerly state owned enterprises were sold at ridiculous prices to Putin’s friends, who are then in a position to prop him up in other endeavors. (No, I am not saying that all state owned enterprises should remain so forever. The Internet was transitioned, for example.)
I am ashamed to admit that I must not be among the smarter and better informed MAGA's. So as I strive for enlightenment, could you explain the mechanics of how getting rid of the National Weather Service can be monetized for their own personal gain?
I answered your question fully. You choose not to understand it, or possibly are incapable of. I’m not sure which.
