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Author: WendyBG HONORARY
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Subject: Control Panel: AI impacts the economy and markets
Date: 11/09/25 2:21 PM
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All METARs know that AI stock fever has powered the stock market higher. The “Magnificent 7” stocks now comprise 40% of the cap-weighted S&P500.

Based on recent estimates for 2025, the spending on AI infrastructure (specifically AI data center capital expenditures) is estimated to be around 1.3% of US GDP.

Google Gemini was unable to answer the question, “What % of U.S. GDP is end-user spending on AI services?” The answer was, “One report notes that despite billions in enterprise investment in Generative AI, 95% of companies have seen little to no Profit & Loss impact, suggesting that broad, end-user spending translating into significant GDP impact (beyond the infrastructure buildout) is still in the early stages.” More articles in the financial press are noting this discrepancy between spending and end-user purchasing of AI services.

Even more concerning, the companies financing AI development and infrastructure are borrowing even though some of them are cash-flow rich. The words “debt,” “complex,” and “growing” have echoes from other bubbles.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/08/business/dealbo...


Debt Has Entered the A.I. Boom

To fund heavy spending on infrastructure for artificial intelligence, companies have leveraged a growing list of complex debt-financing options.

By Ian Frisch, The New York Times, Nov. 8, 2025



Blackstone is on the cusp of closing a $3.46 billion commercial-mortgage-backed securities (C.M.B.S.) offering to refinance debt held by QTS, the biggest player in the artificial intelligence infrastructure market. It would be the largest deal of its type this year in a fast-accelerating market….

According to McKinsey, $7 trillion in data center investment will be required by 2030 to keep up with projected demand. Google, Meta, Microsoft and Amazon have together spent $112 billion on capital expenditures in the past three months alone….

Now, the tech giants are turning to financing maneuvers that may add to the risk. To obtain the capital they need, hyperscalers have leveraged a growing list of complex debt-financing options, including corporate debt, securitization markets, private financing and off-balance-sheet vehicles. That shift is fueling speculation that A.I. investments are turning into a game of musical chairs whose financial instruments are reminiscent of the 2008 financial crisis….

Also at play: a financial tool that came into vogue before the financial crisis. Called a special purpose vehicle (S.P.V.), it’s a legal entity that allows a company to take on a lot of debt without having to hold it on its own balance sheet….Overall, according to Morgan Stanley, $800 billion in private credit will be needed over the next two years to fund data centers. And S.P.V.s are becoming a more popular way to structure it….

Are murky financial instruments spreading the risk of the A.I. spending frenzy? According to Menlo Ventures, only 3 percent of consumers pay for A.I.-related services, amounting to about $12 billion per year. If hyperscalers are unable to generate enough profit to offset the costs related to capital expenditures, systemic risk could enter credit markets….
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Most METARs are interested in stocks. But financial crises originate from debt. Some corporate debt is public in the bond market but the most dangerous kind is off-balance-sheet debt which is financed by the Shadow Banking System and derivatives. The idea that big companies like Meta and xAI are creating SPVs to borrow money so the debt won’t show up on the parent’s balance sheet is a red flag.

The WSJ’s article from a couple of weeks ago that showed the spaghetti bowl of deals and loans among the AI players was also an important red flag.

Every bubble is driven by a story. The excitement drives the bubble’s growth. Then the growth attracts more speculators. Then the speculators borrow money to buy into the growing bubble.

At some point the story behind the bubble begins to weaken. The price seems very high and the payoff uncertain. Maybe far in the future or maybe never. New buyers fail to show up. At that point the fate of the bubble wavers. Will it pop? When?

Last week, Bullish Percent of the NASDAQ 100 fell from 65% to 40%. The NAZ High-Low Index fell from 400 to -300. NYSE High-Low fell from 125 to -50.

The Fear & Greed Index is in Extreme Fear. The trade is risk-off as stocks and junk bonds fell relative to the price of the 10 year Treasury bond.

The Treasury yield curve rose along its entire length. The Chicago Fed’s National Financial Conditions Index (NFCI), which provides a comprehensive weekly update on U.S. financial conditions in money markets, debt and equity markets, and the traditional and “shadow” banking systems, showed that conditions tightened slightly even though they are still very loose.

The Atlanta Fed's GDPNow model estimate for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the third quarter of 2025 was 4.0 percent on November 6. This is a strong reading which is backed up by their increasing "Blue Chip" consensus. Such a strong GDP growth number will reduce the chance that the Federal Reserve will cut the fed funds rate in December.

Economic activity in the manufacturing sector contracted in October for the eighth consecutive month, following a two-month expansion preceded by 26 straight months of contraction, say the nation's supply executives in the latest ISM® Manufacturing PMI® Report. Manufacturing is about 10% of GDP.

Economic activity in the services sector returned to expansion in October, say the nation’s purchasing and supply executives in the latest ISM® Services PMI® Report. The Services PMI® registered at 52.4 percent and is in expansion territory for the eighth time in 2025.

https://www.wsj.com/finance/stocks/corporate-earni...


Four of five S&P 500 companies are beating estimates, but investors aren’t rewarding them for their performance

By Hannah Erin Lang, The Wall Street Journal, Nov. 9, 2025

More than 80% of 446 S&P 500 companies beat third-quarter results estimates, yet the S&P 500 rose only 1.3% since Oct. 14.

The median S&P 500 stock beating estimates outperformed the benchmark by 0.3% the next day, below the historical average of 1%.

Concerns about AI spending, consumer sentiment and high valuations weighed on Wall Street.
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The Price-to- earnings ratio based on average inflation-adjusted earnings from the previous 10 years, known as the Cyclically Adjusted PE Ratio (CAPE Ratio) is 40 compared with a long-term median of 16. One glance at the chart shows that it looks like the dot-com bubble. Is the AI bubble really different? When spending is so high but the payoff is so low?

The METAR for next week is cloudy. Last week's drop may be noise, just a blip in a rising trend. Or it may be the first rumblings of thunder on the horizon as the extent of the risk grows and becomes more publicized.

Wendy




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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Control Panel: AI impacts the economy and markets
Date: 11/09/25 5:29 PM
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One thing that concerns me, about this "AI boom" is companies trying to get in on the "boom", even though it is outside their core competence. I got burned when CMS Energy, here in Michigan, wanted to emulate Enron, by having an energy trading desk. Turned out that, like Enron, CMS' operation was a fraud.

Now, DTE, the electric utility here in metro Detroit, wants to get in on the "AI boom", by building a huge data center near Ann Arbor, for which, DTE would provide all the power. Even though DTE is a regulated utility, they want to push ahead with the data center without any public hearings. Not surprisingly, the company's ambitions are setting off a lot of alarm bells around here.

Ann Arbor residents demand answers as DTE races to approve massive data center
DTE Energy would power 100% of the project’s campus, a joint endeavor involving OpenAI and Oracle

ANN ARBOR, Mich. – DTE Energy is trying to fast-track approval for a massive new data center outside Ann Arbor, backed by billionaire Stephen Ross, Oracle, and the makers of ChatGPT.

The company wants to skip public hearings, claiming the project could lower customer bills even though it would use enough energy to power more than a million homes.

A DTE Energy spokesperson said there won’t be additional costs to customers and that service will be more reliable.

Smigielski called that optimistic, noting data centers built in other states have led to electricity bills doubling, increasing energy burdens.


https://www.clickondetroit.com/all-about-ann-arbor...

So, if the "AI" bubble pops, will the data center become a failed white elephant, with the DTE ratepayers picking up the cost?

Steve
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Subject: Re: Control Panel: AI impacts the economy and markets
Date: 11/09/25 7:50 PM
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"DTE, the electric utility here in metro Detroit, wants to get in on the "AI boom", by building a huge data center near Ann Arbor"

quite a few stories on utube from disgruntled citizens both living near the new build out of the data centers, and also electric customers in the region of the data centers.
Customers say their electric bills go up. Citizens in proximity to the data centers
say that the compounds give off an enormous amount of light pollution, they hear
a perpetual low level noise that wasn't there before, and they also fear that their
ground water that many rely on will be pumped dry for the cooling needs of the data centers. And the local politicians are a rubber stamp for whatever the corporations
behind the data centers want, concerns of local citizens are very low on the totem pole.

I was in Ann Arbor over the weekend, there is a lot of green space where a DC could be
placed, but it's a pretty large ( to me ) metro area, will the citizens voices be
heard over all of that noise the money promised from the DC's makes ??
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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Control Panel: AI impacts the economy and markets
Date: 11/09/25 8:45 PM
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and they also fear that their ground water that many rely on will be pumped dry for the cooling needs of the data centers. And the local politicians are a rubber stamp for whatever the corporations
behind the data centers want,


We have already seen what the (L&Ses) in Lansing think of ground water. Bottling companies pump millions of gallons out of the aquifer, for a paltry $200/year permit. But Ottawa County, where a lot of people are having trouble with their wells going salty, or dry? Nope, no money available from Lansing to help build a pipeline to Lake Michigan, to replace what they used to be able to draw from the aquifer.

I'm pretty sure that interested parties can find someone to go on youtube to advance their agenda.

What really sets off alarm bells is DTE trying to do it without any public hearings. That's a perfect setup for irresponsible management that thinks they can jump on the bandwagon, and make some easy money for themselves. Ratepayers, and the state Public Service Commission are already chafing at the frequency and scale of DTE's rate increase requests.

When I worked at the pump seal company, they were finding the competition in their core ANSI/API markets too hot. Their solution? Go "high tech", even though they did not have the engineering or manufacturing capability to support higher end products. Very much like the automakers, now, saying they want to go "upmarket".

Steve...glad he bought higher efficiency furnace and a/c a few years ago.
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