Hi, Shrewd!        Login  
Shrewd'm.com 
A merry & shrewd investing community
Best Of BRK.ABest OfAll BoardsThe Shrewd’m WeeklyLearn to InvestHow to Become Shrewd
Search
Shrewd'm.com Merry shrewd investors
Search
Best Of BRK.ABest OfAll BoardsThe Shrewd’m WeeklyLearn to InvestHow to Become Shrewd


The week's question
In December 2024, in the thread "Re: BRK: Why Not XOM?", BreckHutHigh asked the members: "What about the long road trips with kids?" This week it is put to everyone again. The button below opens the small thread re-asking it - read what others have said so far, then give your own answer as an ordinary reply.
Answer this questionContinue to Shrewd'mThis note won't appear again
Stocks A to Z / Stocks B / Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A)
Unthreaded | Threaded | Whole Thread (9) |
Author: DTB   😊 😞
Number: of 21944 
Subject: Re: Power usage By AI
Date: 09/19/24 11:27 AM
Post New | Post Reply | Report Post | Recommend It!
No. of Recommendations: 4
I think these huge computing data centers will become like dead shopping malls within ten years, i.e. huge white dead elephants that no one knows what to do with their (expensive) corpses.

I agree that these data centres and, hopefully, the tremendous amounts of electricity they consume, may be unneeded in 10-20 years. However, the major long-term investment involved is, as far as I can tell, the production of all that electricity, and we will have no trouble finding something else to do with that.

And the malls that we no longer need, that get converted to data centres, will just have to be converted to something else again, or just demolished. The servers themselves are unlikely to have a life of more than about 5-10 years (is that right?), so we won't have to get rid of a bunch of brand new servers we just built, we'll be able to phase them out gradually, as they wear out, if they are no longer needed.

We will have lots of these challenges - tearing out all the gas pumps and even most of the gasoline refuelling stations, as we go to 100% electric vehicles. But the changes are likely to be slow enough that we can just not replace old fuel reservoirs and pumps, as they age out of the system, and occasionally close a marginally profitable refuelling station.

cars/trucks were more efficient than horses, to the tune of hundreds of horsepower packed into the space of a few horses. Also, as the efficiency of internal combustion engines increased, the need for road infrastructure still remained. Current neural net "AI's" implementations, with their huge computing and data center power needs, are horribly inefficient compared to the human brain operating at 20 watts.

Horses were much more efficient than the cars that replaced them, in the same way that a human brain is much more efficient than an AI data centre, if you are just looking at energy/functional unit. We have replaced horses, let's say they use 1 horsepower, with cars that typically use 200 times more power. It's a lot harder to say how much energy is needed per human brain, if we use a lot of AI, but it is surely orders of magnitude above 20W. So we need a lot more energy to get around than when we used horses, and will need a lot more to do some of our thinking with AI, but fossil fuels and now, cheap renewable power, make it possible for us to upgrade to the less efficient but more effective solution.

dtb
Post New | Post Reply | Report Post | Recommend It!
Print the post
Members reply directly to DTB here — and replies get answered. Reading is free; so is joining the conversation. Join Shrewd'm »
This community has written 21,448 posts about Berkshire Hathaway. The article-length ones it recommended most:
BRK: Why Not XOM? · 62 recs · 2024
Second quarter comments · 60 recs · 2023
Berkshire's Profit Contributors · 57 recs · 2023
Summary of 2Q 2026 · 54 recs · 2026
3Q Summary · 53 recs · 2024
Unthreaded | Threaded | Whole Thread (9) |


Announcements
Berkshire Hathaway FAQ
Contact Shrewd'm
Contact the developer of these message boards.

Best Of BRK.A | Best Of | Favourites & Replies | All Boards | Followed Shrewds | Open Questions | Moving a community