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Author: lizgdal   😊 😞
Number: of 48466 
Subject: balance in the Texas abortion law
Date: 12/07/2023 4:34 PM
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In Dobbs, the U.S. Supreme Court said state law should be used to balance the interests of a pregnant woman and the fetus. Most states leave the complicated heathcare decisions to the pregnant woman (with the advice of medical doctors) in the first and second trimesters. In contrast, the Texas government says abortions are not allowed when there is a fetal heartbeat except when there is a medical emergency. (An emergency is an unforeseen combination of circumstances that calls for immediate action.)

Of course, the Texas abortion ban is based on religious doctrine (what the Pope says), but the Texas government can't invoke religion in defending the law (because of the pesky 1st amendment). A Texas judge has allowed an abortion, but the reasons are not clear. There is no medical emergency. Maybe it's a simple balancing of the interests of the pregnant woman, the Texas government, and the fetus. In this case:

pregnant woman's interest (she wrote an editorial published in The Dallas Morning News)
emotional suffering ("I do not want my baby to arrive in this world only to watch her suffer")
physical suffering (“I do not want to continue the pain and suffering that has plagued this pregnancy")
future harm ("or continue to put my body or my mental health through the risks of continuing this pregnancy”)

Texas government's interest
The small possibility that the fetus survives and develops into a productive adult. (In general, Texas benefits from healthy births. If there were no births, then there would be no future Texas population.)
The pregnant woman remains healthy.

fetus's interest
physical suffering if birth is allowed.
small possibility of survival.

To me, the very real harm to the pregnant woman vastly outweighs the very small benefits to the Texas government and the fetus. But the Texas law gives ZERO weight to the pregnant woman's interests (except for medical emergencies). The Texas law protects the fetus and abandons the pregnant woman. This can only be justified using religious doctrine. Maybe the Texas law is unconstitional because it violates the 1st amendment.

=== links ===
Texas judge grants pregnant woman permission to get an abortion despite state’s ban, December 7, 2023
https://apnews.com/article/texas-abortion-roe-568c...

Supreme Court Of The United States, Decided June 24, 2022
Dobbs v. Jackson Women’S Health Organization
"Held: The Constitution does not confer a right to abortion; Roe and Casey are overruled; and the authority to regulate abortion is returned to the people and their elected representatives."
"Roe and Casey each struck a particular balance between the interests of a woman who wants an abortion and the interests of what they termed 'potential life.' But the people of the various States may evaluate those interests differently."
"Attempts to justify abortion through appeals to a broader right to autonomy and to define one’s 'concept of existence' prove too much. Those criteria, at a high level of generality, could license fundamental rights to illicit drug use, prostitution, and the like."
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-139...

Texas S.B. No. 8
"(3) Texas has compelling interests from the outset of a woman's pregnancy in protecting the health of the woman and the life of the unborn child; and
(4) to make an informed choice about whether to continue her pregnancy, the pregnant woman has a compelling interest in knowing the likelihood of her unborn child surviving to full-term birth based on the presence of cardiac activity."
"a physician may not knowingly perform or induce an abortion on a pregnant woman if the physician detected a fetal heartbeat"
"Sections 171.203 and 171.204 do not apply if a physician believes a medical emergency exists that prevents compliance"
https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/87R/billtext/pdf...
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Author: onepoorguy 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 15062 
Subject: Re: balance in the Texas abortion law
Date: 12/07/2023 6:25 PM
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Government has no business participating in this discussion. It's between the woman and her doctor(s). Politicians (who generally have zero medical training) should not be part of the decision process.

John Oliver did a segment recently about this. Obviously I agree with everything he says here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eH2BItdo0M
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Author: lizgdal   😊 😞
Number: of 15062 
Subject: Re: balance in the Texas abortion law
Date: 12/09/2023 11:22 AM
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There's a similar court case in Kentucky. But the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that people DO NOT have the right to self-determination under the U.S. constitution. Why? Because hypothetically, a right to self-determination "could license fundamental rights to illicit drug use, prostitution, and the like."

But the Supreme Court clearly got it wrong in Dobbs when they applied the very low standard of "rational basis review" to abortion laws. Strict scrutiny is needed when judging laws that affect people's healthcare decisions.

Making healthcare decisions is a fundamental right, and so any law restricting one's healthcare decisions should meet strict scrutiny. Strict scrutiny requires the law be narrowly tailored to achieve a compelling government interest. The much lower standard of "rational basis review" (rational speculation unsupported by evidence or empirical data) is not enough, as shown by the failure of the Texas law to protect the interests of pregnant women.

For example, blood transfusions are not deeply rooted in the America’s history and tradition, and so blood transfusions are not a fundamental right. Texas could outlaw blood transfusions. But healthcare decisions are a fundamental right, and so Texas has to meet strict scrutiny when outlawing blood transfusions. People's rights do not change based on advancements in medical science. A new medical procedure might not be deeply rooted in tradition, and laws restricting new procedures should be judged based on the unchanging fundamental right to make one's own healthcare decisions.

=== links ===
A pregnant woman in Kentucky sues for the right to get an abortion, December 8, 2023
"The suit, filed in state court in Louisville, says Kentucky’s near-total prohibition of abortion violates the plaintiff’s rights to privacy and self-determination under the state constitution."
https://apnews.com/article/abortion-kentucky-aclu-...

They argued that prostitution is a constitutional right. Nice try, said federal court, January 18, 2018
"American courts continue to recognize that private sexual activity is a fundamental liberty interest protected by the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution."
"There is no constitutional rights to engage in illegal employment, namely, prostitution," Judge Jane A. Restani wrote for the three-judge panel... The court conducted what’s known as a "rational basis review" of the anti-prostitution statute, meaning it examined whether the anti-prostitution law had a legitimate purpose, then asked whether the law promoted that purpose. The prostitutes’ claims fell short on both questions, the Ninth Circuit found. The state had good reasons for outlawing prostitution, including discouraging human trafficking and violence against women, and the law was tailored to address those reasons, Restani wrote.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp...

Privacy Rights Under the Constitution: Procreation, Child Rearing, Contraception, Marriage, and Sexual Activity, September 14, 2022
"A line of Supreme Court cases establishes that the U.S. Constitution guarantees a person’s ability to make certain decisions... In the 1997 decision Washington v. Glucksberg, the Court held that assistance in committing suicide is not a fundamental liberty interest protected under the Due Process Clause. The Court declared that fundamental liberties are those "deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition."... If a liberty interest is deemed a fundamental right, the challenged law or government action must generally satisfy the most stringent standard of judicial review: strict scrutiny. Strict scrutiny requires the government to justify the law by demonstrating that it serves a compelling government interest and is narrowly tailored to achieve that interest (the law is not too broad or too limited). If a liberty interest is not considered fundamental, a court generally need only apply the rational basis test; the law or government action must be rationally related to a legitimate government purpose. For instance, as addressed in Dobbs, rational basis review applies to abortion restrictions because abortion is not a fundamental right."
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LS...

The Strange, Grisly History of the First Blood Transfusion
"The French parliament, the Catholic Church, and the Royal Society soon passed their own bans on blood transfusions, and the procedure ceased to be used in mainstream medicine until the mid-19th century."
https://www.britannica.com/story/the-strange-grisl...
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