Halls of Shrewd'm / US Policy❤
No. of Recommendations: 8
The Pentagon is sending at least 1,500 active-duty troops to the southern border to enhance security and assist with a major military airlift of undocumented migrants.
Why?
Before righties answer, I ask them to reflect on their posts this morning claiming that apprehensions of illegal border crossers was Waaaay down due to Trump’s efforts.
Why the emergency? Could be it’s nothing more than acclimating Americans to the sight of American troops on American streets.
Also a dry run to smoke out officers who might be squeamish about the tasking.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Could be it’s nothing more than acclimating Americans to the sight of American troops on American streets. - Bill
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Could not be too.
Maybe they are taking over surveillance and logistical jobs, freeing CBP to do the actual arresting of would be border runners.
Maybe they will help with operating the detention centers what are being used to hold immigrants instead of the old failed catch and release and disappear program.
Maybe Trump meant it that he would close the border and the majority of us voted for enthusiastically.
What sounds more likely?
No. of Recommendations: 3
Why the emergency? Could be it’s nothing more than acclimating Americans to the sight of American troops on American streets.
Yeah, that's totally it.
No. of Recommendations: 1
Maybe Trump meant it that he would close the border and the majority of us voted for enthusiastically.
What sounds more likely?
Oh, the Kent State scenario. That's totally what this is. Rock and roll, baby!
No. of Recommendations: 1
Could not be too.
Maybe they are taking over surveillance and logistical jobs, freeing CBP to do the actual arresting of would be border runners.
Maybe they will help with operating the detention centers what are being used to hold immigrants instead of the old failed catch and release and disappear program.
Maybe Trump meant it that he would close the border and the majority of us voted for enthusiastically.
What sounds more likely?
More likely? That they build the wall and detention centers and bring in more troops as required for this National Emergency. I don't know how long it will take for the cases against it to get to the Supremes, who likely won't support the emergency - then they go home. So Mike, what do you think will be the process when an illegal comes across the border and claims asylum?
No. of Recommendations: 13
the majority of us voted for enthusiastically.
The majority of Americans did not vote for Trump. He garnered a bit over 77 million votes. That's about 23% of the US population. Definitely not a majority of the population. That 77+ million is also 49.8% of the votes cast. That means 50.2% of people voted for someone else. That is not a majority.
If you're going to get picky about my count of criminals, I'm going to get picky about your count of votes.
--Peter
No. of Recommendations: 4
what do you think will be the process when an illegal comes across the border and claims asylum?
If a person presents themselves at the border and requests asylum, they are not here illegally. They are requesting a process allowed by US and international law. They are asking to be allowed to be in the US legally.
--Peter
No. of Recommendations: 1
What sounds more likely?
The most likely thing is that it's just a big show - bread and circuses - meant to entertain the foolish masses and keep them happy. That way they don't ask about what you are really doing.
--Peter
No. of Recommendations: 2
So Mike, what do you think will be the process when an illegal comes across the border and claims asylum? - Lapsofy
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They will be detained until their hearing. No more catch and release and disappear. I suppose there will be an option for them to self deport rather than wait for what could be several months for their hearing. Yeah, it will take a lot of resources. So what!
No. of Recommendations: 3
What sounds more likely?
Oh, the Kent State scenario. That's totally what this is. Rock and roll, baby!
Kent State was the National Guard called out by the Governor.
No. of Recommendations: 2
This all bothers the Sheeple Liberals.
They want more illegals to enslave, control, degrade, and exploit.
Troops? They only want them protecting sissy loser European countries.
Hence, this is all out of their comfort zone.
BAAAAA
No. of Recommendations: 1
If a person presents themselves at the border and requests asylum, they are not here illegally. They are requesting a process allowed by US and international law. They are asking to be allowed to be in the US legally.
--Peter Correct, but I wanted Mike to answer, because - troops, border patrol, civilian police, national guard - doesn't matter, because that is the border and that is the law. Also consider this: (you probably know this Pthe)
SNIP
Are immigration officials allowed to stop people in places wholly inside the U.S.?U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the federal agency tasked with patrolling the U.S. border and areas that function like a border, claims a territorial reach much larger than you might imagine.
A federal law says that, without a warrant, CBP can board vehicles and vessels and search for people without immigration documentation “within a reasonable distance from any external boundary of the United States.” These “external boundaries” include international land borders but also the entire U.S. coastline.<b<What is a “reasonable distance”?
The federal government defines
a “reasonable distance” as 100 air miles from any external boundary of the U.S. So, combining this federal regulation and the federal law regarding warrantless vehicle searches, CBP claims authority to board a bus or train without a warrant anywhere within this 100-mile zone. Two-thirds of the U.S. population, or about 200 million people, reside within this expanded border region, according to the 2010 census. Most of the 10 largest cities in the U.S., such as New York City, Los Angeles, and Chicago, fall in this region. Some states, like Florida, lie entirely within this border band so their entire populations are impacted. SNIP
https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone#...The border on the sea coasts extends out 12 nautical miles. There's some international agreements on what parts of the river on the border of Mexico is whose - it's generally the middle or deepest part of the river, but there are some variations, and the same thing with Canada.
This is a much larger area than most people visualize and the authority claims to extend to these areas.
No. of Recommendations: 0
Correct, but I wanted Mike to answer, because - troops, border patrol, civilian police, national guard - doesn't matter, because that is the border and that is the law. - Lapsody
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I really don't know what you are getting at when you out this string of words together. Are you putting words in my mouth that the organizations listed don't matter, don't matter to who, for what. Quite the opposite, we need more of them in all manner and fashion.
Back to the question you want me to answer. I watch a lot of news and get a lot of information off this boards too. I think I have a pretty good grasp of the elements of Trumps plan for the border. But it is vastly complex issue and there certainly will be modifications made along the way.
You seem to be chiding me become some sort of press sec for Trump. To homogenize and paraphrase Trumps plan for the border and feed it back to you along with a guarantee that this is exactly what is going to happen. When it doesn't, as it inevitably will, I will have brought a lie to the pristine chamber that is this board. I certainly don't want to do that, "again".
If you want to criticize Trump you are well equipped to do it directly without dragging me into committing a lie that you can use to enhance the criticism.. It would be pretty naive of me to engage with that.
Lastly, I answered your question twice in responses to other posters before I wised up.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Correct, but I wanted Mike to answer, because - troops, border patrol, civilian police, national guard - doesn't matter, because that is the border and that is the law. - Lapsody
The procedure is that if someone comes across the border and requests asylum, that the review is granted in six weeks about a third make it past the six weeks. Those were the ones that had a chance. This isn't an emergency, it's plain as day. What's the plan? There's also the people flying in in planes. Was that stopped anywhere in these issued EOs? Just exactly what is the plan? This could be very disruptive.
If you drop 25% percent tariffs you may cause chaos, and couple that with Migra raids and fear of raids and then nobody sleeps well.
No. of Recommendations: 3
They will be detained until their hearing. No more catch and release and disappear.
We talked about that a year ago. I forget albaby's numbers, but a sizeable majority show up for their hearings. They want asylum, think their claims are valid, and try to play by the rules. So they show up.
I suppose there will be an option for them to self deport rather than wait for what could be several months for their hearing.
I think the average is 2-4 years, IIRC. Too lazy to look up the lengthy discussion we had last January (2024).
Yeah, it will take a lot of resources. So what!
And time. We have to build the detention facilities first. And staff them.
Aren't you always the budget hawk? So you're OK with your taxes going up to pay for this.
FWIW, I'm OK with detaining them provided we have humane facilities to house them, and staff the courts so your "months" guesstimate above is accurate.
And I've been saying for a while that taxes need to go up. A lot. We have to close the Republican-made deficit, and the only way to do that is sacrifice vital programs (which would be very unpopular), or raise taxes to Reagan levels. Adding the expense you're talking about would require even more. Few Republicans would agree with that. In which case, you can't have your detention facilities and staffed immigration courts.
