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...into invading Ukraine.
The Reagan RNC is officially dead and buried.
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Alright.
The US expanded NATO to Poland and other E European countries.
The US has surrounded China with Taiwan, S Korea, Japan.
Imagine Russia-Canada-Mexico into an alliance against US.
As much as I love this country, I can't help but think that we love to start sh1t that other nations are responding to. They are not the aggressor. They are trying to create buffer zones against the West/NATO/US.
Ruslan Kyiv was the founder state for Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. Russia is not exactly invading a completely different country like Afghanistan.
US is doing what is in our best interest, bleed Russia through a country 1/4 its population and no hope of winning the war or even keeping its territory. It's good for us, in fact Ovama should have done it when Russia took Crimea. But the Ukrainian President was different then so maybe we couldn't.
It's all realpolitik. Maybe a little bit because white people are dying in Ukraine as opposed to Black people in bloody and gruesome African wars.
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Maybe Americans care a bit more because*
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You warmongers don't like being called out do you.
I so wish Ukraine was a "religion of peace" peoples.
The blowback would be so deserved.
It's time to use Social Media to keep reminding Ukrainians who lost loved ones...... that AMERICANS who supported and egged this one well, they aren't in Alabama.
But rather AUSTIN, DC, NYC, BETHESDA, SAN FRAN.
Remember what "blowback" is? Liberals loved the term after 9-11.
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knighttof3: As much as I love this country, I can't help but think that we love to start sh1t that other nations are responding to. They are not the aggressor. They are trying to create buffer zones against the West/NATO/US.
Well, comrade, that's certainly one of the Russian talking points... but at least you didn't call the invasion “genius” and “savvy,” like Orange Jesus.
Russia hopes to establish a sphere of influence through veto rights over Ukraine’s foreign policy and geopolitical direction and to rebuild its empire, which requires the annexation of Ukraine.
And the suggestion that "they are not the aggressor" is completely absurd. Go tell that to the murdered Ukrainian civilians and kidnapped Ukrainian children.
knighttof3: Imagine Russia-Canada-Mexico into an alliance against US.
You go ahead and imagine that unimaginable Russian talking point. I'm going to make some coffee and walk around the neighborhood to assess the damage in the wake of last night's series of tornadoes that rolled through here.
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The US has surrounded China with Taiwan, S Korea, Japan
Minor semantic quibble.
The US did not surround China with anything. That's geography. Same goes for the countries around west of Russia. They exist. They are not invading Russia any more than Japan is invading China.
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And the suggestion that "they are not the aggressor" is completely absurd. Go tell that to the murdered Ukrainian civilians and kidnapped Ukrainian children.
This part is true. Aggressor was a poor choice of word on my part. I meant the initiators, country that made the first move.
As for Russian sympathies, I have none. They and China are expansionists too. But their enemies are now a lot closer, geographically, thanks to US.
Japan (post-WWII) used to have a pacifist constitution. But the tide is turning.
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"The US expanded NATO to Poland and other E European countries.
The US has surrounded China with Taiwan, S Korea, Japan.
Imagine Russia-Canada-Mexico into an alliance against US."
Wow. You gotta stop using Russian information sources that make you look like an idiot. Seriously. You information is only as good as the information sources you use. If you use poor ones, you will look foolish.
One, NATO is a self-defense pact. The only reason to fear it is if you fear your neighbors getting help defending themselves.
Two, the U.S. didn't expand NATO to Poland and the Baltics. Poland and the Baltics asked to enter NATO because they wanted to be in NATO. You may think that is a sematic difference but it isn't. It makes all of the difference in the world.
Three, why do you think Poland and the Baltics wanted to join NATO? Joining NATO isn't just all benefits, there are huge obligations involved in being in NATO. When the U.S. invaded and occupied Afghanistan for two decades, almost every NATO country had troops stationed in Afghanistan at one time or another due to 9/11 being an invocation of NATO's defense obligations to help other member countries. The obligation to send your citizens to die for the defense of another country is huge. It is what kept Finland neutral and out of NATO for the decades of the cold war. Yet Poland and the Baltics eagerly took on those obligations. Why do you think that is? It is because Poland and the Baltics were fearful of their own defense. They were afraid of Russia.
Four, to say Russia is not the aggressor is the height of stupid Russian misinformation. I know you choose to be ignorant of world events, but even someone like you has to know that Russia INVADED Ukraine. Russia is violating Ukrainian sovereignty. They are killing Ukrainian citizens. Russia made the choice to do that. That is the literal definition of being an aggressor. "Russia is creating a buffer zone" through violating the sovereignty of another country's citizens. It is like your neighbor razing your house with a bulldozer without your permission all because he wanted better sight-lines for his defense. if your daughter dies, it was for your neighbor's defense. He isn't the aggressor. It doesn't work like that. Sovereignty means something. Why does Russian safety from the west take higher priority that Ukrainian safety from Russian rule in your mind? That should be insane for anyone who values freedom and rule of law to even think.
Five, of course it is in the U.S. best interests to have Ukraine bleed Russia dry. Do you know why? Because Russia doesn't want to stop at Ukraine. It has eyes for much of the rest of eastern Europe. Those include countries that the U.S. have obligations to defend. I don't want to send U.S. troops to die because Putin has dream of an empire that includes sovereign countries that do not want to be part of that dream. If it means backing Ukraine to the tune of a hundred billion or so a year so that they can fight Russia to a standstill then that is a cheap price to pay so that we won't have to spend far more than that (plus U.S. citizens lives) fighting Russia down the line. What we are paying now for Ukraine is a cheap price compared to that. Especially considering the military industrial benefits we get from building the weapons we send to Ukraine. Obviously it is the U.S. best interests in finding a way to stop Putin from subjugating countries that do not want to be subjugated to Russia. That is a no duh.
Six, the amazing thing is that After the initial invasion. Ukraine actually fought Russia to a standstill. Neither side was winning. For Ukraine to this this was nothing short of amazing. It got to a point where Russia was taking an order of magnitude higher casualties than what Ukraine was and not taking any more ground. Unfortunately Ukraine ran low on basic ammunition so they had give ground up. Why did they run low on basic ammo? Because of misinformed morons in congress who spewed Russian propaganda. Hmm....
Seven, it is weird that you try to play the race card in this. It is a transparently desperate ploy that just makes you look like you already know you are losing due to your own ignorance. I think the answer is quite obvious why Ukraine and not some African country but if you really need it spelled out for you we can.
Please do better. Democracy requires a well informed populace. The more ignorance and lies that are spread, the more of a threat democracy comes under. You are failing duties as a citizen.
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"The US expanded NATO to Poland and other E European countries.
The US has surrounded China with Taiwan, S Korea, Japan.
Imagine Russia-Canada-Mexico into an alliance against US."
You know that Xi, Putin and Kim are positively salivating at the prospect of an easily corrupted, useful-idiot, Trump administration.
WTF has happened to Republicans?
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Umm,
Takt it easy on the he personal attacks.
Just because I expressed a view similar to what some Russians may be saying, does not mean I have Russian sympathies or sources or anything like that. I don't, to be extra crispy clear.
This was my independent analysis and you can show me why I am wrong instead of the ad hominem attacks. Courtesy is a two-way street.
