Dope's claimThe liberal claim is that illegals don't vote

Dope's assertion: I've shown you one.

If you are talking about Moreno, just from looking at your cite from X, it has contradictions within it that have been covered. Even Albaby thinks it is more likely than not that Moreno was legal from the contradictory facts found. So it's pending, until we actually know the truth.

Dope's 2d assertion: I've also shown you the mechanism by which it can be done in Arizona.

But it wasn't done was it? That actually supports the contention that illegals don't vote. I think CO phrased it as it's illegal for an illegal to vote -which is true. But being illegal to vote is different from saying they don't vote. What he has said, is that - where you are saying it can be done in AZ, the government has looked, and there are 2 pending cases where the facts aren't leaked, so we don't know.

So we don't have anything which shows us to a certainty that one illegal alien voted illegally. We have a big ? on Moreno, and 2 unknown cases pending cases in AZ. But you'd think, if it was happening frequently, and in large amounts, that we'd be able to point to many convictions, and many pending cases, which would be convincing.