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Perhaps Trump should get his Nobel Peace prize for bringing together India, China and Russia. Their previous disputes are forgotten and they are now working together as one team. Well done Mr Trump, another victory for USA.

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Yep, the previous disputes are forgotten.

Those peopel forget that shit easily.

*sigh* Western thinking. People who have no depth.

Perhaps Trump should get his Nobel Peace prize for bringing together India, China and Russia.

Maybe he can also get a Noble Prize.

Pete

Yep.
Was wondering which one of you would blame Trump instead of putting the onus where it belongs.

This board never disappoints!

Yep, the previous disputes are forgotten.

Those peopel forget that shit easily.

*sigh* Western thinking. People who have no depth.

This.

It’s not like China hasn’t had its eye on the resources in Siberia for a hundred years or that India’s and China’s troops routinely clash on the border.

It’s all about Trump and the Bad Orange Man.

Somewhere, all the classic Euro diplomats of yesteryear that these folks fancy the approval of are shaking their heads.

not really bringing together, but at least leveling the field to make them indistinguishable from america.
all now use same playbook :

a. authoritarian envy
b. flattery only needs the leader dumb enough to believe it, and costs nothing
c. 0 expectations that signed agreements are durable
d. remain opportunistically open for the patsy at the table
e. bribes seen in light of total national gain; self-enrichers are most susceptible.
(bring an extra plane or gold toilet)

4D chess my ass.

Trump is a fool. Making us weaker and our enemies stronger.

It’s not like China hasn’t had its eye on the resources in Siberia for a hundred years or that India’s and China’s troops routinely clash on the border.

1939: It’s not like Germany and Russia are natural allies. After all, they fought each other in the Great War

1940: It’s not like Germany and Japan have any real shared interests. My God! They’re on opposite sides of the world!

1939: It

And these things have zero to do with what I posted.

Zero.

And these things have zero to do with what I posted.

Quite the contrary.

They showed that your reasoning is flawed.

Short term interests for political gain often overrule long term interests, confounding the “wise” who believe long term interests are set in stone.

There is no doubt that Trump behaves like a bully.
Common practice is to ignore the bully, and support those that are being bullied. Many still don't recognize this evidence based practice as the best approach.
Bullying and isolationism are not going to end well for the US.
Alan

They showed that your reasoning is flawed.

No, Jedi nailed it.
You people - with your excessive Trump hatred - are willing to toss overboard your moral crusade against Russia for more Orangemanbadsomethi something.

Amazing how little it takes. And how little liberals are really willing to contribute when the chips are down.

You people - with your excessive Trump hatred - are willing to toss overboard your moral crusade against Russia for more Orangemanbadsomethi something.

Your reasoning is not only flawed. It doesn’t follow from anything I’ve said.

You seem to be arguing with yourself.

Your reasoning is not only flawed. It doe

You’re literally not saying anything.

You people - with your excessive Trump hatred - are willing to toss overboard your moral crusade against Russia for more Orangemanbadsomethi something.


You are making about as much sense as our dementia addled POTUS.

You’re literally not saying anything.

ROFLMAO !!!

Was wondering which one of you would blame Trump instead of putting the onus where it belongs.

What? The onus squarely belongs on Trump. This is an eminently foreseeable consequence of imposing punitive tariffs on your allies with an "us or them" ultimatum that they can't possibly meet. They inevitably and predictably have to choose "them," because they can't possibly re-orient their energy mix quickly enough to avoid an economic collapse. Oh, and because the "Madman Theory" approach to international relations in order to keep everyone guessing about your policies means that no one can rely on the implicit promise that if the fuel mix was changed, the tariffs would be removed.

We've spent the last several decades engaged in careful diplomacy with India to try to get them to remain oriented towards the West, despite the fact that China is the elephant in their backyard. Trump blew that up in a few months. Which, fine - now India won't be able to export as much to the U.S. But the cost of that is that the largest and most important country in Southeast Asia has been pushed into the China/Russia camp.

As everyone predicted.

What? The onus squarely belongs on Trump.

I was waiting for a MAGA person to say it's not the Felon's fault. Biden, Harris, even Obama...but not the Felon.

Predictable.

What? The onus squarely belongs on Trump.

Sigh.

Somebody besides me go read Jedi’s post.

Somebody besides me go read Jedi’s post.

I assume "Jedi" is an alias of somebody on this board. Who is that, and why can't we call them by their name as it exists on this board?

assume "Jedi" is an alias of somebody on this board. Who is that, and why can't we call them by their name as it exists on this board?

He goes by Echotabaaa at the moment- formerly WiltonKnight, on this board at least.

For years on MotleyFool, he called himself JediKnight, but then started changing his name with the frequency of a young girl trying on new skirts in a dressing room at LuluLemon.

It’s just easier to remember “Jedi”.

Somebody besides me go read Jedi’s post.

I read it. Not much of an observation there. Trump hasn't erased history. And levying a massive, punitive tariff against someone we wanted to be out ally in containing China and Russia was still a significant strategic blunder. Both things are true. Indian and China/Russia are not likely to ever be like the U.S. and England, but they're much closer today - and will be much closer going forward - than they were a few months ago. Much to China's delight.

You have frequently claimed that containing China is (or should be) our number one priority, to the near-exclusion of all others. Yet Trump has managed to do more to damage that effort than one would have thought possible, in so short a time.

Below are the two opening paragraphs from an article in The Economist about this subject. Unfortunately, their gift article feature is not robust enough to use on chat boards.

Not only are Trump’s actions pushing India into China’s sphere (amazing, since China and India were involved in border skirmishes with each other in 2020), you can add Brazil into the mix due to Trump’s inability to think about the repercussions of his knee-jerk actions (adding punishing tariffs to a country that the U.S. has a long standing trade surplus with - $410 billion over the last 15 years).

In addition, these actions strengthen the BRICS movement, something that is extremely detrimental the U.S. interests.

But this is what happens when you surround yourself with obsequious toadies (who were approved by nearly 100% of Republicans in the Senate) instead of experts who actually know what they’re doing.

Trump and his MAGA supporters, the party of personal responsibility, always try to blame others for their own blunders. But clearly, Trump owns this lock, stock, and barrel.

Fasten your seatbelts, the shit show is just beginning.

IT IS UNUSUAL to experience humiliation, vindication and a defining test all at the same time. But that is India’s predicament today. President Donald Trump has undone 25 years of diplomacy by embracing Pakistan after its conflict with India in May, and now singling out India for even higher tariffs than China. He cannot have thought through how the world’s most populous country and fifth-largest economy would react.

Narendra Modi, India’s prime minister, recently laid out a path for a muscular, more self-reliant nation. He is also about to meet Xi Jinping in China, after a bitter four-year Sino-Indian military stand-off in the Himalayas. For America to alienate India is a grave mistake. For India it is a moment of opportunity: a defining test of its claim to be a superpower-in-waiting.

Below are the two opening paragraphs from an article in The Economist about this subject. Unfortunately, their gift article feature is not robust enough to use on chat boards.

But it's been archived several times. Here's one - https://archive.ph/7dUKl

The onus squarely belongs on Trump.

The first rule of cults: never, ever blame the cult leader.

add Brazil into the mix due to Trump’s inability to think about the repercussions of his knee-jerk actions

And why is Trump alienating Brazil? Because they are punishing a usurper, Bolsonaro, for trying to steal an election and destroy their democracy. I guess Trump sees Bolsonaro as a kindred dictator that he must support.

assume "Jedi" is an alias of somebody on this board. Who is that, and why can't we call them by their name as it exists on this board?

He goes by Echotabaaa at the moment- formerly WiltonKnight, on this board at least.

For years on MotleyFool, he called himself JediKnight, but then started changing his name with the frequency of a young girl trying on new skirts in a dressing room at LuluLemon.

It’s just easier to remember “Jedi”.
****

But you have been unwilling to shift your views even by 1%

And the result is - permanent, structural punishment.

Jedi is winning.

Boom :)

PS: Thanks for another display of your laser light focus on the Leader. This is why Sheeple only gets sheared----the wool grows back and gets sheared again.

You have frequently claimed that containing China is (or should be) our number one priority, to the near-exclusion of all others. Yet Trump has managed to do more to damage that effort than one would have thought possible, in so short a time.

Sure.
And you’ve argued that the Westphalian order depends on punishing Russia for Putin’s actions.

But when it comes time to get around to doing that, you don’t want to do anything that requires a difficult choice. You’d rather “wait it out” and hope that Putin just up and quits. Never mind that the Ukraine is being beat to sh1t every single day.

The main point of the 300-post thread was to see what the libs on this board were willing to do to get Putin to stop. The answer was and is…nothing.

And no, you didn’t understand Jedi’s post.

But you have been unwilling to shift your views even by 1%

Intractable doesn’t even begin to describe it. There’s not even 0.00000001% consideration - forget shifting.

But when it comes time to get around to doing that, you don’t want to do anything that requires a difficult choice. You’d rather “wait it out” and hope that Putin just up and quits. Never mind that the Ukraine is being beat to sh1t every single day.

The main point of the 300-post thread was to see what the libs on this board were willing to do to get Putin to stop. The answer was and is…nothing.

The libs on this board are willing to do a lot to get Putin to stop. After all, we're already doing a lot to get Putin to stop. We're not just "waiting it out" and hoping Putin quits, but continuing to exert the massive economic and military pressure that's being placed on him by our current actions.

But relevant to the topic of this thread, you're seeing exactly why we opposed secondary tariffs - they've made things worse. Right? They didn't get Putin to stop. They're not going to get Putin to stop, because they've improved Putin's situation. India's not reducing their oil purchases from Russia. They didn't respond to our "us or them" ultimatum by choosing us. To the contrary, Modi's now sidling up to Putin under the auspices of China - a process that will result in the BRIC alliance getting tighter while our own relations with India get worse.

That's the point, Dope. We didn't oppose the secondary tariffs because we want Ukraine (not "the" Ukraine, just Ukraine) to fail. We opposed secondary tariffs because they were a dumb idea. Just because the status quo is bad doesn't mean that a proposed idea is a good one, or can't make things worse - and that's exactly what happened here. Combined with the tariffs on Brazil and Trump's idiotic summit with Putin (which has put a stake in any efforts to diplomatically isolate Russia), Trump's been doing little but strengthening China (and Russia) for the last several months. We've shown ourselves to be an unreliable economic partner and an inconstant ally, and one that it is fundamentally dangerous for any world leader to trust. Modi was made to look a fool by Trump, who put higher tariffs on Indian than even China - and he knows it. The India-China relation is fraught (yes, I was capable of understanding Jedi's three sentences of post), but we've now made it vastly more beneficial for India to improve their relations with China at the expense of the U.S.

Trump is making it worse. He's making our efforts to contain China worse, he's making our efforts to push Putin out of Ukraine worse, and he's nuked several decades of diplomatic efforts to keep India in the Western fold rather than trying to accommodate China.

The libs on this board are willing to do a lot to get Putin to stop.

Hahahahahahahahaha!
Like what? What economic cost are you willing to bear? Clearly nothing, because you’re unwilling to sanction the people who buy oil from Putin

So…what, then? Do what we’re doing is the eternal answer. Are you willing to ramp US defense spending way higher and build more ammunition plants?

Trump is making it worse. He's making our efforts to contain China worse, he's making our efforts to push Putin out of Ukraine worse, and he's nuked several decades of diplomatic efforts to keep India in the Western fold rather than trying to accommodate China.

Wow, Armageddon in only 7 months. That’s some skill.

Like what? What economic cost are you willing to bear? Clearly nothing, because you’re unwilling to sanction the people who buy oil from Putin

All the money we spent to supply Ukraine, for example.

Again, you keep missing the point. If we are currently doing A, B, C, and D - then when people say that doing A-D is enough, and that we shouldn't do E, that's not advocating for doing nothing. It's advocating for doing all the things we are currently doing.

And if someone points out that E isn't merely something that won't help, but will actually hurt, that's also not the same thing as saying we should do nothing. It's just saying we shouldn't do E.

I am not "unwilling" to sanction the people who buy oil from Putin. I just had the basic sense to know that it will be counterproductive to do that. That rather than getting them to stop buying oil from Putin, it would lead them to more closely embrace Putin. The exact opposite of what we wanted to happen.

https://cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing....

Yay....winning.

Wow, Armageddon in only 7 months. That’s some skill.

I didn't say Armageddon. I said he's making things worse. And it didn't take any skill at all. It merely took ignorance, an unwillingness to think through the consequences of what happens if India and Brazil don't capitulate to him, and having an idee fixe on the idea that every nation on earth is so committed to the U.S. market that they will automatically do what we say in response to tariff threats.

And it didn't take any skill at all. It merely took ignorance, an unwillingness to think through the consequences of what happens if India and Brazil don't capitulate to him, and having an idee fixe on the idea that every nation on earth is so committed to the U.S. market that they will automatically do what we say in response to tariff threats.

That, and a cadre of incompetent advisors. A POTUS can't know everything, so they employ people knowledgeable in various areas to advise. He didn't. He employed yes-men (and women) who praise him constantly. He's fired everyone that showed even a shred of competence.

I read a headline (and the first paragraph) that the Felon really p-o'd Modi by saying he (the Felon) resolved the India/Pakistan issue. He did no such thing. But he kept saying he did, repeatedly. Apparently, they have been ignoring each other since June.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/30/us/politics/tru...

Incompetence, and the danger of toxic narcissism.

All the money we spent to supply Ukraine, for example.

So…nothing more.

No, I DO get your point. You’re not moving 1 mm in any direction that acknowledges any other argument, so there’s very little point.

I am not "unwilling" to sanction the people who buy oil from Putin. I just had the basic sense to know that it will be counterproductive to do that.

And this is the part where you’re not getting MY point: you don’t believe in your Westphalian order enough to do anything that would prevent strategic enemies (China) or people we’ve invested decades into trying to make friends with (India) from getting with the program.

Instead, at the first sign of resistance you’re allowing India and China to fund Putin’s war machine. And playing into China’s hands while doing it.

Do you really think that India is going to “embrace” Putin? Seriously?

You’re not moving 1 mm in any direction that acknowledges any other argument...

I disagree. He very much acknowledges your argument(s), and spends a lot of his time (lawyers' time is expensive, too) explaining why you don't understand the situation at all.

I'll let him address your other "points" himself. But I will say, it's a lot easier to get a friend to cooperate than someone who is annoyed with you. India is not happy with us, and we have them looking around to see if they can get a better deal (Make India Great Again!). That was an unforced error on the Felon's part, and he's making no effort to correct it. So, yes, Modi will embrace Putin if there's a better deal to be had.

As for China, they've been supporting Russia from the beginning. They recently found test footage of a street in China in a drone downed in Ukraine. Clearly, the drone came from China.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-analyst-says-c...

You’re not moving 1 mm in any direction that acknowledges any other argument, so there’s very little point.

Not at all. If you have an idea for some additional steps that should be taken against Russia that you think we should do, I'm all ears. I would welcome doing something more, if it would be effective in more quickly pushing Putin out. Secondary sanctions, though, are counterproductive. They don't work, and they actually make things worse. If there's an actual "other argument" that you're making, other than "we should do something else" without either saying what the something else is or how it would be better than what we're doing, I would love to hear that other argument.

Instead, at the first sign of resistance you’re allowing India and China to fund Putin’s war machine. And playing into China’s hands while doing it.

"Allowing"? If we had the ability to stop India from buying oil from Putin, I would advocate doing that. But we don't. Secondary sanctions won't get India to stop buying Russian oil, and indeed they haven't done so. To the contrary - they've pushed India further into committing to the BRIC economic bloc, strengthening economic and strategic ties with Russia and China.

Do you really think that India is going to “embrace” Putin? Seriously?

Yes - because they already have more closely embraced Putin. Modi, Putin and Xi were literally all holding hands to show their mutual cooperation and resolve against the U.S.' change of economic policy:

https://www.axios.com/2025/09/01/trump-modi-xi-put...

This is the issue you thought was most important, Dope. Constraining China. Yet Trump has done more than any President in recent memory to alienate India and encourage them to foster closer cooperation and interaction with China.

That's the point, Dope. We didn't oppose the secondary tariffs because we want Ukraine (not "the" Ukraine, just Ukraine) to fail. We opposed secondary tariffs because they were a dumb idea. Just because the status quo is bad doesn't mean that a proposed idea is a good one,

Boy howdy… that’s the heart of it, Albaby.

Let’s see if Dope absorbs what you said, or continues to tell us all what we believe but don’t.

I guess Trump sees Bolsonaro as a kindred dictator that he must support.

Yaah, because it makes zip sense. Anyone?

This is the issue you thought was most important, Dope. Constraining China. Yet Trump has done more than any President in recent memory to alienate India and encourage them to foster closer cooperation and interaction with China.

China does matter. So much so that the sideshow in the Ukraine needs to end, and quickly.

Ask yourself this. If all those decades of diplomacy and cajoling India were terrific…then why were they able to be undone in a week?

Maybe you might consider that other nations act in their own self interest and India clearly felt that taking advantage of the situation was in theirs. And then maybe you want to consider how successful all the wooing of India really was…

…or maybe you might consider that Modi knows he’s been caught dead to rights and that he’s trying to send a signal knowing that there’s a sympathetic audience here who in their zeal to bash Trump would bend America over at every turn for the chance.

Or not.

Ask yourself this. If all those decades of diplomacy and cajoling India were terrific…then why were they able to be undone in a week?

No one ever said it was "terrific". But it was progress in our favor. Not as solid as our European allies (which the Felon also is eroding), but progress. The Felon has nuked that, and it may take a generation (or more) to repair that damage.

Think of it this way...in high school you probably had guys you were neutral towards. Not buddies, but you got along. Then one of them finds out you kissed his girlfriend. Suddenly, he's very hostile towards you. It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why.

I do agree that India is acting in their own self-interest. But part of that is a reaction to tariffs and sanctions imposed by the Felon (which, fortunately, have been ruled illegal by the courts...but the damage is already done).

If all those decades of diplomacy and cajoling India were terrific…then why were they able to be undone in a week?

Because it is very easy to break things, and very hard to build things. Especially when dealing with fraught international relationships. That's why "diplomatically" also means to deal with things in a sensitive, nuanced, and careful way.

You can't be surprised that imposing among the largest tariffs in the world on India - for failing to do something they literally could not do - would undermine our relationship with them. Or lead them to search for other, more dependable friends?

…or maybe you might consider that Modi knows he’s been caught dead to rights and that he’s trying to send a signal knowing that there’s a sympathetic audience here who in their zeal to bash Trump would bend America over at every turn for the chance.

What on earth do you mean, "caught dead to rights"? He wasn't hiding his oil purchases. His country depends on Russian oil for a huge part of their energy needs. Has for a long time.

This isn't about "bashing Trump." It was a dumb policy to try to impose a massive secondary sanction on India. It did not work.

Why do you keep struggling to try to find ulterior motives here? We keep telling you what we believe. We believe that the current package of military support and economic sanctions are the best chance of freeing Ukraine from the invasion, and have a good chance of success. We believe that there are no "$20 bills lying in the street" - all of the feasible efforts to impose punishments on Russia for the invasion have been implemented. We should keep doing what we're doing. We thought that the proposal for secondary sanctions was counterproductive.

We're not secretly motivated by a desire to see Ukraine continue to suffer or to allow Putin to win. We're not opposed to secondary sanctions because we have a "zeal to bash Trump." We genuinely believe that it was a bad idea and one that would have negative consequences.

If you have any ideas for how to help Ukraine win faster, I'd love to hear them. Secondary sanctions are not an idea that will help Ukraine win faster.

and that he’s trying to send a signal knowing that there’s a sympathetic audience here who in their zeal to bash Trump would bend America over at every turn for the chance.

Must be the latest hot flash being experienced by Jesse Watters.

In any dictatorship, anyone who says the dictator is driving the ship of state into an iceberg is, by definition, a traitor who is motivated only by hatred of the dictator.

Cartoonish analysis at best.

Cartoonish analysis at bes

We don’t live in a dictatorship. The left has been a useful tool for pretty every foreign adversary we’ve had since, oh, 1966 or so.

Ask yourself this. If all those decades of diplomacy and cajoling India were terrific…then why were they able to be undone in a week?

Oh, that's easy. You start out by electing a buffoon president. Then you make sure the supreme court grants him unlimited power and the legislature completely abdicates its responsibilities. Then you fire all the experts and diplomats who have been carefully crafting policies and agreements over decades. Then you insult the prime minister of India by claiming to have imposed a peace agreement with Pakistan, which you never did. Then you capriciously impose a 50% tariff in retaliation for buying oil from Russia, while doing all you can to cater to the whims of the Russian dictator. No, it wasn't done in a week. It was done by seven months of idiocracy followed by Trumpedo's death blow of 50% tariffs.

Oh, that's easy. You start out by electing a buffoon president. Then you make sure the supreme c

Erm, okay.
Next.

Oh, that's easy. You start out by electing a buffoon president. Then you make sure the supreme court grants him unlimited power and the legislature completely abdicates its responsibilities. Then you fire all the experts and diplomats who have been carefully crafting policies and agreements over decades. Then you insult the prime minister of India by claiming to have imposed a peace agreement with Pakistan, which you never did. Then you capriciously impose a 50% tariff in retaliation for buying oil from Russia, while doing all you can to cater to the whims of the Russian dictator. No, it wasn't done in a week. It was done by seven months of idiocracy followed by Trumpedo's death blow of 50% tariffs.

This.

Over and over again on just about everything Trump touches.

Same idiocracy. Same indecisive stupidity. Same clowns with flamethrowers. Same disastrous results.

All while the same apologists tell us to eat our shit sandwiches while calling them “5 dimensional chess sandwiches”

Or lead them to search for other, more dependable friends?

Search for, eh?

Tell me more of this ‘BRICS’ thing. It mush have been recently formed, right?

Search for, eh?

Tell me more of this ‘BRICS’ thing. It mush have been recently formed, right?

A quibble. I am writing on a message board, not carefully editing a document. India of course doesn't have to "search" for Russia or China. I meant that having lost the United States as a dependable and somewhat constant ally (one who was at least minimally cognizant of the need to conduct international relations with an eye to the domestic needs of other countries), India is now looking at other countries with which to foster greater connections and deeper engagement in order to replace that loss. They are searching among their existing relationships for those that can be deepened and strengthened.

They have unsurprisingly turned to Russia and China, both of whom are regional superpowers and their #2 and #4 trading partners by volume (#3 is the UAE, further reflecting India's dependence on imported oil). An absolutely predictable turn in response to the U.S. savaging the economic relationship by imposing such high tariffs.

You're reaching for as many ancillary issues as possible to avoid engaging with the fact that the effort to use secondary sanctions to get India to stop buying Russian oil have backfired spectacularly. India and China have a deeply complicated relationship, but since the U.S. has elected to wage a trade war against both countries simultaneously (itself a phenomenally foolish strategy) they now have accelerated their efforts at rapprochement. They're not headed towards being each other's closest and deepest allies, since there are still plenty of tension points between them. But our efforts to cultivate India as part of an active resistance to China's economic expansion and hegemony in the region have now been deeply damaged, if not completely crippled. There had not been a bilateral summit since the 2020 border conflict that had put a deep chill on their relations. Xi wasted absolutely no time seizing the incredible opportunity that Trump had given China. Now Modi's in China, meeting with Xi and Putin and calling on India and China to be partners rather than rivals. Because the U.S. has decided that we are India's rival, and not their partner in containing China.

Just...phenomenally dumb. Shortsighted beyond belief, and one that will have significant consequences for our efforts to contain China. Not only did Trump not obtain his near term goal (stopping Indian oil imports from Russia), he managed to drive India closer to both Russia and China.

Just...phenomenally dumb. Shortsighted beyond belief, and one that will have significant consequences for our efforts to contain China.

Yup. And just think...if he lives that long, we have 3.5 more years of this blazing ineptitude and incompetence. Think how much more damage can be done in that time. All self-inflicted.

Trumpedo LMAO.

I read it in a way probably not intended. Obviously Trump+pedo, but I saw Trumpedo as in "Trump torpedo". He has certainly torpedoed our democracy.

Perfect, in a very sad sort of way.

Our country has been Trumpedo'd

"I am a Lion not a Sheep! That's why I prostrate myself to Donald Trump on every single issue." ~MAGA Voter

I read it in a way probably not intended. Obviously Trump+pedo, but I saw Trumpedo as in "Trump torpedo". He has certainly torpedoed our democracy.

Me too. I didn't even catch the "pedo" implication, only the "torpedo" reference, which certainly fits just as well as Trump+pedo.

A quibble. I am writing on a message board, not carefully editing a document. India of course doesn't have to "search" for Russia or China. I meant that having lost the United States as a dependable and somewhat constant ally (one who was at least minimally cognizant of the need to conduct international relations with an eye to the domestic needs of other countries), India is now

Since you don’t want to answer I’ll do it for you: BRICS has been around for going on 25 years.

Which means your point about “searching” for allies is a really, really bad one.

You're reaching for as many ancillary issues as possible

Nope. You have a spectacularly bad take on China/Russia/India and you’re attempting to play offense to deflect from it.

BRICS has been around for 25 years, almost. You seem to be u see the illusion that India is either run by children (and the Bad Orange Man did a meanie) or that they’re hopelessly naive (let’s suddenly cozy up to China, great idea!) when it reality neither is the case.

The other thing you’re doing is spiking the football before everything has played out.

Say. Do you know the ratio of students from India studying in the US vs. China?

BRICS has been around for 25 years, almost. You seem to be u see the illusion that India is either run by children (and the Bad Orange Man did a meanie) or that they’re hopelessly naive (let’s suddenly cozy up to China, great idea!) when it reality neither is the case.

I am under neither illusion. Trump made a substantial, significant change to U.S. policy towards India, and India is responding to that change in policy. A 50% tariff on imports is not at all trivial. Not just for its direct impact, which is enormous - the 50% total tariff is one of the largest he imposed globally (if not the largest), and it will decimate Indian exports to the U.S. But because it reflects a fundamentally adversarial position towards India and its current government. That is not "doing a meanie" - it is a fundamental, dead serious change in U.S. policy towards the country.

With the U.S. now clearly adopting an adversarial posture towards India, they are changing their posture towards other global powers. That's a completely rational response. It's not naive - they know exactly who China and Russia are. But with the U.S. switching from cooperative partner into adversary, they have to re-evaluate their posture towards China and Russia. They can no longer afford to be as confrontational towards China as they have been since the Galwan Valley incident. They were taking a very hard posture towards China before Trump was elected - but now that they can no longer count on U.S. support for anything, they can't maintain that position.

India is "searching" for allies among their existing relationships - and they are finding them in China and Russia. Not as a binary matter - they are not flicking a switch from "Not Ally" to "Ally." They're just moving significantly closer to Russia and China, and significantly further from the U.S., than they used to be. By waging a trade war against all three countries simultaneously, he has given them a common adversary and a common interest in opposing U.S. economic and trade policy together.

This is a really, really bad outcome for the U.S. - and for folks in the U.S. who believed that containing China was one of our most important foreign policy issues. Do you really think that the tri-lateral summit that Xi was able to assemble between the three countries was a good outcome?

It’s almost as if Vladimir Putin is directing US foreign poliicy.

I am under neither illusion. Trump made a substantial, significant change to U.S. policy towards India

He did? Made them a pariah state, did he? On par with the Axis of Evil?

No he didn’t.

That is not "doing a meanie" - it is a fundamental, dead serious change in U.S. policy towards the country.

You’re forgetting something. Modi knows Trump. As in, knows him and knows that he can make a deal. What kind of deal? Wean them off Putin’s oil.

But with the U.S. switching from cooperative partner into adversary

I’m sorry, but this is really silly. It’ll also some as a shock to the dudes doing Yudh Abhyas up in Alaska right now.

Say. Who do you think they’re training to go against up there? What region of the world looks a little like that?

I am under neither illusion. Trump made a substantial, significant change to U.S. policy towards India

He did? Made them a pariah state, did he? On par with the Axis of Evil?

He's already described this as moving away from us... to others. The point is that the relations are damaged, and needlessly. Your counter of Modia knows Trump - yes he does, but that doesn't mean what you think it means.

Your counter of Modi[]knows Trump - yes he does, but that doesn't mean what you think it means.

Sure it does. It means he knows what the guy sitting in DC is like.

To you and the other repeaters here it means orangaemanbadbadbadsomethinghitler.

I read it in a way probably not intended. Obviously Trump+pedo, but I saw Trumpedo as in "Trump torpedo". He has certainly torpedoed our democracy.

Yeah, perfect double entendre, ain' it? I can't take credit for inventing it though.

Elan

Now Modi's in China, meeting with Xi and Putin and calling on India and China to be partners rather than rivals.

Worth noting that Kim Jung Un and the president of Iran are also there, all singing Kumbayah in opposition to Trump. And to think that Putin is laughing his head off with Xi at Trump licking his feet. Not in 100 years has the United States been so isolated. It's probably the most rapid and catastrophic self inflicted loss of clout of a major global power in human history. It took the Roman Empire hundreds of years to collapse this way.

Sure it does. It means he knows what the guy sitting in DC is like.

To you and the other repeaters here it means orangaemanbadbadbadsomethinghitler.

And to you it means that you don't really like what's happening and you're praying that Trump will TACO his way out of it.

"But when it comes time to get around to doing that, you don’t want to do anything that requires a difficult choice. You’d rather “wait it out” and hope that Putin just up and quits. Never mind that the Ukraine is being beat to sh1t every single day.

The main point of the 300-post thread was to see what the libs on this board were willing to do to get Putin to stop. The answer was and is…nothing." - Dumbass Dope

People spent lots of time explaining to Dope what they believed should be done in Ukraine in that prior thread and all he got out of the more than 300 posts was "wait it out and do nothing".

How can any halfway intelligent person read that thread and come away thinking that is what was argued? It boggles the mind.

People say that I am insulting to other posters, yet what is more insulting, quickly calling a dumbass a dumbass, or having people spend hours and tens of thousands of words explaining their position only for the target to dismissively mischaracterize it as "wait it out and do nothing"? I think it is more insulting to have people waste their time and energy teaching a pig to sing.

People say that I am insulting to other posters,
I think it is more insulting to have people waste their time and energy teaching a pig to sing.

Exactly Umm, so crawl back to your pig pen, you can’t carry a tune....just bellowing sour notes in that thread instead of offering constructive feedback to the thread.

"But when it comes time to get around to doing that, you don’t want to do anything that requires a difficult choice. You’d rather “wait it out” and hope that Putin just up and quits. Never mind that the Ukraine is being beat to sh1t every single day.

Russia is hurting, but Putin just demoted and sidelined an advisor that advised him to settle the Ukraine war. Dope has a spectacularly bad take that *surprise* agrees with the Trump propaganda. Dope is still a surrender monkey.

It’s almost as if Vladimir Putin is directing US foreign poliicy.

He might as well be.

At the big Alaska summit he definitely looked like the cat who ate the canary. He must be thrilled with his Best Buddy Donny.

It took the Roman Empire hundreds of years to collapse this way.

Yes, this is something to marvel at.

How one crazy, narcissistic fool could so quickly gut our republic.

I think it is more insulting to have people waste their time and energy teaching a pig to sing.

I enjoy reading Albaby's critical analyses to the MAGAts (or anybody else). He spots the flaw(s) and lays out the reason and ramification of the flaw. I plagiarize him regularly.

That said, I believe I am the first to achieve frowny face from Dope; ignored for rejecting his schtick as that of a dunk tank Limbaugh-wanna-be clown heckling with for attention.

There ought to at least be a set of Ginsu knives for that distinction.

Exactly Umm, so crawl back to your pig pen, you can’t carry a tune....just bellowing sour notes in that thread instead of offering constructive feedback to the thread.

That dude still posts here? Wow. He owns the longest uninterrupted streak of butthurt on the planet. Somebody ought to call up the Guinness people on his behalf. Plus we've lived in his head so long we have squatter's rights.

Dope is still my mentor and thought leader since I'm unable to process anything myself. And I smell bad.

You're welcome. I'm glad that you're getting educated here.

And to you it means that you don't really like what's happening and you're praying that Trump will TACO his way out of it.

"Chicken out" of what?
The definition of chicken is to let somebody else bear the brunt of everything for you. Judging by your posts you're not aware of who that is in the entire Ukrainian/Russia war.

There ought to at least be a set of Ginsu knives for that distinction.

I'll make a donation to the DNC for that. :)

Plus we've lived in his head so long we have squatter's rights.

Exactly! I too was a non-ending target of his at the Fool. On this Board he constantly attacks you, but his nonsense ends up in cyber space now that you have banished him to the dust bin of cyber space and don’t see his stupidity.
Why anyone rec’s his posts just puts them in the same garbage bin.
I’ve yet to see any evidence of him adding pertinent inputs to a thread except for his garbage put downs.

Exactly! I too was a non-ending target of his at the Fool. On this Board he constantly attacks you, but his nonsense ends up in cyber space now that you have banished him to the dust bin of cyber space and don’t see his stupidity.
Why anyone rec’s his posts just puts them in the same garbage bin.
I’ve yet to see any evidence of him adding pertinent inputs to a thread except for his garbage put downs.

Some people are just feel the need to blanketly insult random people over the internet, people they'll never meet.

Some do it because they want attention.
Others because they want the dopamine hits of validation from their peers (the other libs on the board in this case).
Others are just...messed up, mentally.

Ummie is a mix of all 3. He was never one who could discuss issues and instead would just fall back into insults, trying to make *you* the issue. He's used to same schtick for multiple decades now ('you can't state your opponents' position' while take pains to never actually stand for anything). If you're deeply insecure you're going to hold grudges and generally behave like he does.

Ignore the board's morons. You know who they are. Cleans up the clutter. Keep 1 or 2 around for some sport but the others can just...vanish.

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