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Yup, the dems thought they had it - the kill shot.

The 1 issue that they could shout from every rooftop and bury every Republican with. For all time. They were going to send the GOP the way of the Whigs with J6. All the stops were pulled - media consultants to create the stageplay. 24/7 news coverage. "" Explosive "" testimony from "" insiders "". It was all there!

And those damn voters...voted for the Trumplicans anyway! The dems will figure out ways to get around what the actual voters want, don't you libs worry.

Anyways. The J6 committee - as many of us pointed out at the time - was always playing fast and loose with the facts, if not outright fabricating them. For example, it's not physically possible for a President to grab the wheel of The Beast while it's in motion. Or at any time, for that matter. But this reality-bending stuff was lapped up by the intellectual kittens that make of the targeted audience for the J6 hearings.

Well, now the chickens are going to come home to roost. Tampering with witnesses is a crime...and Liz Cheney might want to call her lawyer:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-should...

"Based on the evidence obtained by this Subcommittee, numerous federal laws were likely broken by Liz Cheney, the former Vice Chair of the January 6 Select Committee, and these violations should be investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Evidence uncovered by the Subcommittee revealed that former Congresswoman Liz Cheney tampered with at least one witness, Cassidy Hutchinson, by secretly communicating with Hutchinson without Hutchinson’s attorney’s knowledge," the report, which was provided to Fox Digital, found.

Shouldn't be too hard to produce those texts, should it?

The other person whom the Bell of Justice will Toll For is going to be... Cassidy Hutchinson herself. Testifying falsely under oath is a crime as well, and she told a number of whoppers:

Cassidy Hutchinson’s most outrageous claims lacked any evidence, and the Select Committee had knowledge that her claims were false when they publicly promoted her.
President Trump did not attack his Secret Service Detail at any time on January 6.
President Trump did not have intelligence indicating violence on the morning of January 6.
Cassidy Hutchinson falsely claimed to have drafted a handwritten note for President Trump on January 6.
Representative Cheney and Cassidy Hutchinson baselessly attempted to disbar Hutchinson’s former attorney.

Liz Cheney will have a high-powered counsel at her side. Hutchinson won't. Fry her first and see who else in the dem hierarchy provided her with what incentive to lie so egregiously.

Even if you ascribe the absolute worst motives to Republicans—and I think Dems have things to answer for—Dems brought retribution on themselves.

Voters agree the Russiagate/impeachment/J6/election lawfare inquests were totally invalid and/or politically driven.

https://x.com/Heminator/status/1869395338345509170...

Because those things were political, 100%. There was zero factual basis beyond the fact that the democrats couldn't win an election and willing to do nearly anything to get and keep political power.

Reckoning Day is coming.

Shouldn't be too hard to produce those texts, should it?

If it’s not too hard, then why haven’t they already produced those texts?

Again, Republicans are, as usual, very good at producing accusations, but not so successful backing them up with facts.

One example from your post:

Cassidy Hutchinson’s most outrageous claims lacked any evidence, and the Select Committee had knowledge that her claims were false when they publicly promoted her.
President Trump did not attack his Secret Service Detail at any time on January 6.

Ms. Hutchinson NEVER said Trump attacked his Secret Service detail. Here is what she testified to:

Hutchinson testified she was told by then-White House deputy chief of staff Tony Ornato that after Trump got into the presidential SUV following his rally, hoping to drive to the Capitol as his supporters marched there, his lead Secret Service agent Robert Engel told him it was too dangerous and informed him they were returning to the White House. Hutchinson said Ornato told her Trump became irate and attempted to grab the steering wheel of the vehicle, and lunged at Engel's clavicle. She testified Engel was present with Ornato as he related the incident but never contradicted the account.

Did Trump attack his Secret Service detail? I have no idea, but I think it would have been out of character for Trump to do it because he’s a coward (and it might have messed up his pretty hairdo) and he prefers, like most crime bosses, to let his underlings do the dirty work.

But to claim that Ms. Hutchinson claimed that Trump attacked his Secret Service detail is totally false.

If that’s the type of detail you are clinging to, you might as well admit now that you got bubkis.

Not one criminal conviction will come from this waste of time and money. The Republicans got nothing.

If it’s not too hard, then why haven’t they already produced those texts?

Go find them for us!

Ms. Hutchinson NEVER said Trump attacked his Secret Service detail. Here is what she testified to:

Erm, did you read what you just quoted?
Hutchinson said Ornato told her Trump became irate and attempted to grab the steering wheel of the vehicle, and lunged at Engel's clavicle.

You ought to read what you're quoting again.

Hutchinson is a liar, fact. What's interesting will be seeing who gave her what incentive to lie as much as she did.

Interesting times ahead!

You ought to read what you're quoting again.

No, you ought to read the quote again.

Hutchinson did NOT say Trump attacked his Secret Service detail.

Hutchinson DID say that “Ornato told her Trump became irate and attempted to grab the steering wheel of the vehicle, and lunged at Engel's clavicle.”

I know you understand the difference, so stop acting foolishly.

Hutchinson DID say that “Ornato told her Trump became irate and attempted to grab the steering wheel of the vehicle, and lunged at Engel's clavicle.”

It's the same thing. You're parsing words in a rather desperate attempt to cling onto the fiction that America was in peril on J6.

The jig is up. Tell team blue to lawyer up for the various crimes they committed while trying to take down Trump and the Republican party writ large.

It's the same thing.

No, in fact, it’s not the same thing.

Even your bloviated felon Trump knows the difference.

Take the L and go home.

No, in fact, it’s not the same thing.

Yes it is.
The L is coming. In fact, you're taking nothing but L's.

You took a shot at the entire country on J6 and missed. Now your party gets to reap the consequences.

>>Ms. Hutchinson NEVER said Trump attacked his Secret Service detail. Here is what she testified to:

Erm, did you read what you just quoted?
Hutchinson said Ornato told her Trump became irate and attempted to grab the steering wheel of the vehicle, and lunged at Engel's clavicle.<<

You ought to read what you're quoting again.

Hutchinson is a liar, fact. What's interesting will be seeing who gave her what incentive to lie as much as she did. - Dope

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Based just on the language in this post, it seems clear to me that Hutchinson testified accurately about what she was told by Ornato. She did not claim first hand observation.

J6 concerns me as much as Oct 7 concerns Progressives.

Both Ornato and the driver refuted her testimony:

Ornato said in his November 2022 interview that he didn't remember the incident with the former president that Hutchinson described.

"I relayed that this is not a story I recollect and I don't recall that story happening," he told members of the previous Jan. 6 committee, according to excerpts included in the new report.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/gop-report-tru...

J6 concerns me as much as Oct 7 concerns Progressives.

Well…a lot of progressives are concerned that 10/7 wasn’t more successful, so there’s that.

My interest in this is the Payback angle. The entire thing was a farce and a complete abuse of power. Whole bunch of people need to be held to account starting with Liz Cheney and their “star” witness (who evidently made a lot of it up).

Both Ornato and the driver refuted her testimony: - dope

>>Ornato said in his November 2022 interview that he didn't remember the incident with the former president that Hutchinson described.

"I relayed that this is not a story I recollect and I don't recall that story happening," he told members of the previous Jan. 6 committee, according to excerpts included in the new report.<<

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I don't recall the incident and was just going on what I see here, but now...

8 seconds,

https://youtu.be/OjYoNL4g5Vg

I'd love to see Lizzy prosecuted. I also would love to see her retirement fund tithed so all the NeoCon blood money can be refunded (yes I've supported the previous one, I dont run from it and I was wrong)

BUT --- I fear if we get distracted with this stuff, we might as well call it quits and turn the majority to Dems - why wait for 2 years.

There's a few key things we can do.

Establish a sense of competence and ability to govern.

Retain political capital longer than the average lame duck.

I truly think this j-6 stuff and investigation stuff can seriously cost us.

J6. ACA cuts. Social Security or Medicare Cuts: That is OUR they/them and chicks-with-dcks.

I don't want to be Kamala.

I dont want to just give it away to the other side

BUT --- I fear if we get distracted with this stuff, we might as well call it quits and turn the majority to Dems - why wait for 2 years.

It shouldn't be a problem. The dems of course with their media buddies will want to make a big deal out of it, but there's so much to do and so much to fix I don't think there will be a problem.

Biden's Presidency was horrid on so many levels...we can pick our targets at will.

<i.>Based just on the language in this post, it seems clear to me that Hutchinson testified accurately about what she was told by Ornato. She did not claim first hand observation.

This is the investigatory stage, so you are allowed to talk to anyone and receive almost any type of testimony that might lead to admissible evidence. She is just testifying about what was said to her. So you are 100% correct.

alphawolfI know you understand the difference, so stop acting foolishly.

Dope cannot stop acting the way he does.
His whole schtick, like limbaugh the big fat liar, depends on creating strawmen.

The difference, there ain't no Mr. Shniggly on written media to buffer him from people who easily debunk his strawmen with facts.

...at which point he declares victory and, in his mind, goes to commercial.

"It's the same thing." - Dope

It isn't the same thing..... LOL It is hilarious that you really cannot understand the difference between testifying that someone told her something happened and testifying that something definitively happened.

I am pretty sure most 10-year-olds can easily understand the difference, yet Dope can't. Classic Dope.

"You're parsing words in a rather desperate attempt to cling onto the fiction that America was in peril on J6." - Dope

You are just trying to ignore the fact that words have meanings and since you yet again looking like an idiot because the real world doesn't match up with your fantasy world you are just doing the usual Dope Wave, dismissing anything that doesn't fit in your fantasy world.

BTW, America was in peril on January 6th. It wasn't from the idiots that Trump convinced to beat up on police officers (you know idiots you still defend). America was in peril because there was a plot to overturn a free and fair election by many members of the Republican party. Using the idiots who stormed the capital was just a small part of the plot. They were just there to cause chaos to be used as a pretense to change the election results.

You regularly ignore all of the other stuff. But willful ignorance is part of your MO.

"Both Ornato and the driver refuted her testimony"

No they didn't refute her testimony. Read your link again. They did not refute it, they said that they didn't recall it. That is what people say under oath when they don't want to talk about something. They have memory problems.

"I'd love to see Lizzy prosecuted." - The performative Clown

Of course you do because you are unAmerican. You are not a decent person. You wallow in and spread hate.

Of course you do because you are unAmerican.

Has anyone else wondered if Russian trolls have infiltrated the group. LurkerMom was quoting Peskov, others have been promoting language very similar to Russian propaganda. Russia has the intent to sow disinformation and discord in the US. Just wondering.

Aussi

Has anyone else wondered if Russian trolls have infiltrated the group. LurkerMom was quoting Peskov, others have been promoting language very similar to Russian propaganda. Russia has the intent to sow disinformation and discord in the US. Just wondering.

Speaking in defense of LM and Dope- they both posted on Motley Fool for ~20 years before moving here, so it’s unlikely they are Russian trolls.

However, both quote extensively from sources that have been known conduits for Russian disinformation and in a few cases, have actually repeated stories that have been traced back to Russian sources.

So no, they are not Russian trolls. But at times they do seem to qualify as “useful idiots” and conduits of Russian disinformation.

Has anyone else wondered if Russian trolls have infiltrated the group. LurkerMom was quoting Peskov

Refresh my memory. Link please.

Has anyone else wondered if Russian trolls have infiltrated the group. LurkerMom was quoting Peskov, others have been promoting language very similar to Russian propaganda. Russia has the intent to sow disinformation and discord in the US. Just wondering.


Almost the entire GOP seems to have become useful idiots for our enemies.

Has anyone else wondered if Russian trolls have infiltrated the group

ChatNPC was basically a poorly-programmed AI robot, so there’s that.
Oh, you were referring to rightie posters? Yeah…not so much.

For one, we’re not actively promoting policies that tear down the United States. The folks on the left aren’t able to say that.

Speaking in defense of LM and Dope- they both posted on Motley Fool for ~20 years before moving here, so it’s unlikely they are Russian trolls.

So no, they are not Russian trolls. But at times they do seem to qualify as “useful idiots” and conduits of Russian disinformation.

So yes, just like at TMF fabricated statements like yours earned many recs.
So shrug, same as TMF, the left at shrewdm far outnumber the four or so right leaning
posters on this Board.
No matter..We know we are in the Right when the majority of Americans voted for
President Elect Trump and kicked President Biden down the sewer.

It will take many years for the democrats and the left to recover, if ever.
In the meanwhile we will continue to correct the left here, with acting President
Trump taking over for ? what’s his name again? Whatshisname seems to have disappeared.

the left at shrewdm far outnumber the four or so right leaning
posters on this Board.

Some conservatives aren't willing to post here. I understand that.

Some conservatives aren't willing to post here. I understand that.

Yes, a couple or so gutter bullies from TMF are posting here but the diehard conservative posters pay them no mind, same as they did at TMF.

Yes, a couple or so gutter bullies from TMF are posting here but the diehard conservative posters pay them no mind, same as they did at TMF.

You think of yourself as a gutter bully? Naah.

Yes, a couple or so gutter bullies from TMF are posting here but the diehard conservative posters pay them no mind, same as they did at TMF.

We don't need to respond to them because...we own them.

We don't need to respond to them because...we own them.

Bullies often delude themselves into believing they “own” other people.

Bullies often delude themselves into believing they “own” other people.

LOL. Posts like this are how I know you have a great sense of humor!

So no, they are not Russian trolls. But at times they do seem to qualify as “useful idiots” and conduits of Russian disinformation.

At times? You're awfully charitable.

Pete

Speaking in defense of LM and Dope- they both posted on Motley Fool for ~20 years before moving here, so it’s unlikely they are Russian trolls.

You never heard of “deep cover”?

Them Russkis are clever, although if they were that clever they wouldn’t be posting stuff that makes them look like Russkis, so maybe they’re just dumb Russkis?

Some conservatives aren't willing to post here. I understand that. = Lapsdy

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Hard to imagine given the warmth and open minded dialogue regarding conservative ideas that is shown here.

BHM: Hard to imagine given the warmth and open minded dialogue regarding conservative ideas that is shown here.

Oh, please. As if both sides aren't sometimes harsh in expression of their views (OK, albaby1 gets a pass in this regard).

When did those tough conservatives become the thin-skinned whiners with a persecution complex?

conservative ideas

There is a vast gap between conservative ideas and bald-faced lies.

I make no apology for calling out lies and shamelessly denigrating them.

When someone actually posts a conservative idea instead of a lie, you'll get a fair but tough hearing.

--Peter

Hard to imagine given the warmth and open minded dialogue regarding conservative ideas that is shown here.

Bannon honestly calls the 'conservative' strategy "flooding the zone with shit."

The conservatives on this board fully embrace that strategy.

Exactly what kind of reception do feel that shit warrants?

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