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No. of Recommendations: 4
The Party of Democracy (lol) just executed what is the American equivalent of a Palace Coup. Remember that the next time you see an ad touting how much they love them some democracy:
https://nypost.com/2024/07/22/us-news/top-dems-thr...Top Dems threatened to forcibly remove Biden from office unless he dropped out, set him up to fail at Trump debate: sourcesTalk about upping the ante! They said they would 25th Amendment his arse if he, Biden, didn't drop out.
Popcorn level: Chocolate dipped in a liquid cocaine
Operatives at the very highest levels of the Democratic Party threatened President Biden with forcibly removing him from office unless he stepped down, sources told The Post.
The well-orchestrated “palace coup” to stop the faltering president from seeking re-election had been in place for weeks, but stubborn Biden fought it every step of the way, a source close to the Biden family told The Post on Monday.
The insider also made clear the anger, paranoia and frustration Biden displayed as the party elite circled around him and piled on the pressure.Oh, my!
No. of Recommendations: 10
The well-orchestrated “palace coup” to stop the faltering president from seeking re-election had been in place for week
So that's going to be the talking point? Won't stick but you can file your lawsuit and be happy. Trying to normalize Jan 6, eh?
No. of Recommendations: 3
So that's going to be the talking point? Won't stick but you can file your lawsuit and be happy. Trying to normalize Jan 6, eh?
Oh it will stick all right.Everyone will remember Biden was stabed in the back by his fellow
democrats with Obama leading the attack.
Jan6? Isn’t that the day of the month that falls between Jan 5 and Jan 7?
Correct me if I’m wrong.
No. of Recommendations: 12
Oh it will stick all right. Everyone will remember Biden was stabbed in the back by his fellow democrats with Obama leading the attack.
He wasn't stabbed in the back. Biden sh@t the bed. Live, on national TV, for everyone to see. Part of the job description of being a major-party nominee is that you can't ever fork up that badly. But he did.
So he lost that job. It's not being "stabbed in the back" for you to lose a job when you either screw it up or demonstrate you're no longer capable of doing it. Any more than you're "stabbing Grandpa in the back" when you finally have the conversation about taking away their car keys, or that they can no longer live independently. It's definitely something that hurts them, that they don't want to be true....but it's not a betrayal to do that.
This is unlikely to stick because the GOP did such a good job telling everyone that Biden was no longer competent. After spending months and months arguing that he was no longer competent, you can't really argue that the Democrats "stabbed him in the back" when they decided not to let him be the nominee. If he was no longer competent to be the nominee, it's not a betrayal to not let him be the nominee.
No. of Recommendations: 1
This is unlikely to stick because the GOP did such a good job telling everyone that Biden was no longer competent. After spending months and months arguing that he was no longer competent, you can't really argue that the Democrats "stabbed him in the back" when they decided not to let him be the nominee. If he was no longer competent to be the nominee, it's not a betrayal to not let him be the nominee.
Correct, Biden was no longer competent. For example, everyone saw it when he would suddenly freeze up with a silly grin on his face.
Biden’s debate with Trump was his doom. Poll numbers plummet.
Top Party Democrats told Joe he had to go, starting with Obama.
Republicans said out loud what the Democrats tried to hide.
No. of Recommendations: 4
As I understand the mechanics, the notion that Biden was "forced out" is preposterous. As the sitting POTUS, only impeachment can do that (or the 25th Amendment). That didn't happen.
As the nominee for the next election, per the Dem bylaws, the delegates were already committed to Biden and couldn't change their votes. He had enough delegates. He wins the nomination. No mechanism to "force him out".
He decided on his own to drop out and release his delegates. There was a lot of pressure from several directions, but it ultimately was his decision.
There is some question about Harris inheriting the delegates (she was on the ticket, so at least they already were indirectly pledged to her). However, last I read, the delegates have already committed to her, so the convention is going to be the formality that it usually is. Also, she appears to have raised over $100M already (which is surprising if no one thinks she has a chance; ergo, big donors do think she has a chance).
No. of Recommendations: 3
Republicans said out loud what the Democrats tried to hide.
And part of the reason is that there was actually a fair amount of anger directed at the Biden campaign is that frontline House members in tough races felt that the Biden Oval Office staff and campaign leaders did hide Biden's lack of capability. Not just from the public, but also from most other Democratic elected officials. Even "Top Party Democrats" don't spend a lot of one-on-one time with the President - it's his own staff that sees him most - so there was a lot of resentment at Donilon, Bernal, Tomasini, and the rest of the inner circle after the debate.
Regardless, it's going to be hard for the GOP to paint this as a "palace coup" or whatever. Biden's candidacy collapsed when he forked up at the debate - something that was entirely his own doing. He couldn't continue, and the move to get him to realize that wasn't limited to "Top Party Democrats." Up and down the ballot, leadership or rank and file - everyone was concerned, and when he failed to assuage those concerns it was a broad cross-section of the party that wanted him to go (only the folks in the safest of deep blue seats were even open to the idea of him continuing).
The GOP will find it an uphill battle to argue to voters that the right thing for Democrats to do would have been to stick with Biden. That the Democrats were doing something wrong by telling him he had to step aside. The GOP was proven right, he wasn't a good choice for Democrats - and the fact that Democrats listened to what the GOP was saying isn't likely to be regarded by many voters as betraying Biden.
No. of Recommendations: 3
As I understand the mechanics, the notion that Biden was "forced out" is preposterous.
Not really. They gave him a choice:
1. "Voluntarily" withdraw from the Presidential campaign
2. Keep running, and be removed from office entirely via the 25th Amendment
He did not "decide on his own". They gave him a menu of painful options and he picked the least painful for him.
No. of Recommendations: 3
"So that's going to be the talking point?"
Yes all the MAGA-Bots have been programmed.
...Well-orchestrated palace coup...Well-orchestrated palace coup...beep...Well-orchestrated palace coup...
No. of Recommendations: 3
The GOP will find it an uphill battle to argue to voters that the right thing for Democrats to do would have been to stick with Biden.
And now the shoe is on the other foot. Convict Trump is the only one with dementia that can't maintain a train of thought, and rambles (sometimes incoherently). Harris isn't an old, dementia-addled woman.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Harris isn't an old, dementia-addled woman.
You haven't heard her speak, like...ever, have you?
No. of Recommendations: 2
Oh, and by the way. Just because this board dumped Biden like a hot potato - as we said it would - that doesn't mean that everyone is on board.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-megadonor-refu...Orlando-based attorney John Morgan, who donated $1 million to the Biden campaign, said he is now "out" as Harris is expected to become the Democratic nominee with the endorsement of President Biden.
"What I didn't like was a coronation instead of a convention. I didn't like the idea of two or three people picking the nominee, because I believe a convention would have provided perhaps a stronger candidate," Morgan said on "The Ingraham Angle," Monday.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Dope1: Oh, and by the way. Just because this board dumped Biden like a hot potato
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hot potato???
More like an aimless wondering shoeless buffoon, stumbling on the stairs, and flying around in a multi-million dollar airplane with our country's name emblazoned on the fuselage!
Poor Joe, he was a known, KNOWN certified moron over 50 years ago from day one, but with grit and perseverance he was finally rewarded with government housing at 1600 PA Avenue.
"LET'S GO BRANDON!"
(Who says perseverance doesn't pay off???)
No. of Recommendations: 1
Palace Coups are normal when democracies are in decline.
