Halls of Shrewd'm / US Policy❤
No. of Recommendations: 1
TX Gov Abbott has finally started doing what should have been started 3 years ago.
Other states will be watching; we can expect more states to follow suit.
Could get quite warm down there, in the Lone Star State.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58We12szfus&ab_cha...Defying cease-and-desist, Texas begins arresting migrants | NewsNation Now
No. of Recommendations: 9
BrerBear: TX Gov Abbott has finally started doing what should have been started 3 years ago.
Other states will be watching; we can expect more states to follow suit.
May I explain to you just how stupid this is, please?
Texas, after arresting these folks, will now jail them, try them, and incarcerate them, costing the state thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of dollars for each migrant. These migrants will no longer be eligible for expedited removal but will now go through full immigration court proceedings, which is exactly what they wanted in the first place, costing yet more money and taking yet more time.
Congratulations, BrerBear, you've been suckered by a political stunt.
No. of Recommendations: 1
Congratulations, BrerBear, you've been suckered by a political stunt.
So predictable.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Texas, after arresting these folks, will now jail them, try them, and incarcerate them, costing the state thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of dollars for each migrant. These migrants will no longer be eligible for expedited removal but will now go through full immigration court proceedings, which is exactly what they wanted in the first place, costing yet more money and taking yet more time.
I wondered what the process was going to be for these "arrests". The only way Abbot should win is if he's figured out a way to immediately deport them and they can't dome back. "How could he accomplish that?" I wondered. If he's just jailing them and they get regular process, he's just pissing out money and wasting people's time.
No. of Recommendations: 2
I wondered what the process was going to be for these "arrests". The only way Abbot should win is if he's figured out a way to immediately deport them and they can't dome back. "How could he accomplish that?" I wondered. If he's just jailing them and they get regular process, he's just pissing out money and wasting people's time. - CO
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As word spreads that if Texas DPS catches you trespassing you get a six month time out before continuing on your odyssey, maybe the migrants will shy away and start using official ports of entry where they are sure to be first embraced by the loving arms of Mayorkas DHS.
Abbott is "here's your jail cell", Mayorkas is "here's your plane ticket". What would you choose?
Promoting the use of official ports of entry was something I thought we all agreed on....
No. of Recommendations: 1
Promoting the use of official ports of entry was something I thought we all agreed on....
Not the Open Borders wing of their party, which the guy you’re replying to is a member (though he’ll never admit to it).
No. of Recommendations: 0
As word spreads that if Texas DPS catches you trespassing you get a six month time out before continuing on your odyssey,
No. I don't want to pay for putting them up for six months. I want the Senate Bill passed, the border process revamped with less people qualifying, immediate work permits for those who do (cheaper), and deportation smoothed out. I want them to get all the necessary shots, etc.,( and if a deportee needs shots, we give em). We need an accurate analysis of what that bill is, then we both grab our nose and pass it. If there are areas you want tightened up later, I'm willing to trade. Whatever we do, the rule is be humane.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Promoting the use of official ports of entry was something I thought we all agreed on....
The process right now is step across the border and make an asylum claim. How does that fit into ports of entry? Doesn't seem like it fits.
Not the Open Borders wing of their party, which the guy you’re replying to is a member (though he’ll never admit to it).
The imaginary open border can be averted by the very real Senate Bill in the offing. We need a good analysis of it, then we hold our noses and pass it. Don't hold out for a mythical 95 or 100% of what you want - that's a recipe for keeping the current failed system. I want Ukraine aid so I'm willing to compromise as I'm a stout supporter of democracy. I like some progressive ideas, but I'm not progressive.
No. of Recommendations: 3
If he's just jailing them and they get regular process, he's just pissing out money and wasting people's time.
He doesn't care about that. It's great political theater for the rubes.
No. of Recommendations: 1
>>As word spreads that if Texas DPS catches you trespassing you get a six month time out before continuing on your odyssey,<<
No. I don't want to pay for putting them up for six months. - Lapsody
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I didn't know you were a Texan. Let me say howdy. How many guns y'all have?
No. of Recommendations: 2
The imaginary open border can be averted by the very real Senate Bill in the offing. We need a good analysis of it, then we hold our noses and pass it. Don't hold out for a mythical 95 or 100% of what you want - that's a recipe for keeping the current failed system. I want Ukraine aid so I'm willing to compromise as I'm a stout supporter of democracy. I like some progressive ideas, but I'm not progressive. - Lapsody
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Here are a few elements in the loathsome HR2 bill. These all make sense to me. I wonder if these or similar will show up in the secretive Senate Bill.
Do you see any of these items as being inhumane?
- Require the DHS secretary to incorporate physical barriers, infrastructures, and technologies to “achieve situational awareness and operational control” at the U.S.-Mexico border;
- Increase the number of full-time Border Patrol agents to at least 22,000;
- Ban the vast majority of asylum seekers from requesting protection at a U.S. border if they traveled through a third country en route to the U.S. and had not already been denied asylum there;
- Generally restrict asylum claims to only those migrants who arrive in the U.S. at an official port of entry;
- Establish criminal penalties for individuals who overstay a visa in the U.S. for ten or more days. In particular, it would: Punish a first offense with no more than six months in prison and a fine of up to $1,000; and Punish a subsequent offense with no more than two years in prison and a fine of up to $2,000.
- Mandate that U.S. employers use an electronic employment verification system to verify the employment status of their workforce. Under the bill, employers would be required to collect and retain verification that they are not hiring undocumented workers
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He doesn't care about that. It's great political theater for the rubes. - ges
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ges, I didn't know you too were a Texan Do you put beans in your chili?
BTW, Texas had spent Billions on Border security and immigrant sustenance for years before Abbott even started sharing the migrants with the sanctimonious cities, oops I mean, sanctuary cities.
No. of Recommendations: 1
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I didn't know you were a Texan. Let me say howdy. How many guns y'all have?
Was once as a kid. I like Texas, but I ended up in Florida. I don't have any guns right now. Ex pats aren't allowed to own guns in the Philippines. Hell, when I was in Japan, one of my Bowie knives inadvertently got sent there and I had to explain it to the Police. They had no problem, sealed it and I didn't open it till the Philippines.
But even though I don't live there I think that's frivolous spending and don't approve for a stunt.
No. of Recommendations: 2
By what authority is Texas doing this? If it is against Texas law, sure. Does Texas have a law against crossing an international border without a visa? Maybe they do, but it would be odd. It's not generally a state crime. And I think the standard is no more than 48 hours detention without charging someone.
No. of Recommendations: 2
<<onepoorguy
By what authority is Texas doing this? If it is against Texas law, sure. Does Texas have a law against crossing an international border without a visa>>
All elected public officials and peace officers, etc., in all 50 states, nationwide, swear (or affirm) to uphold the Constitution of the United States.
Illegals entering the country illegally are in violation of the Constitution.
People who are sworn to uphold the Constitution are therefore expected to act to prevent illegals from entering the country illegally.
QED
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Does Texas have a law against crossing an international border without a visa? Maybe they do, but it would be odd. - 1pg
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I think the Texas Law is rooted in trespassing statutes or, as we know, lawyers can get creative, so the unauthorized entry could be charged as something like "entering a restricted area". The point is these are violations of state law, irrespective of the perpetrator's immigration status.
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Uhhh...no.
The Constitution does not address immigration. Well, not directly. It says Congress is tasked with controlling it. Article 1, section 8, clause 4. It does NOT specify any crime.
As albaby has explained, what is happening now is consistent with federal law. So if Texas does not have a law regarding the crossing of an international border, then they do not have the right or authority to imprison border crossers.
No. of Recommendations: 1
Illegals entering the country illegally are in violation of the Constitution. = BrerBear
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Actually most of them are not in violation of constitution. They simply make an asylum claim the first chance they get to and from that moment forward, the illegal immigrant is granted legal status to be here as a result a law passed 50 years ago. Even though half or so end up being declared ineligible, they all get to hang out here three or four years before that decision is made.
Further, the USA is somehow obliged to provide as much processing capacity as needed by these foreigners who decide to come here, whenever they decide to show up, and in whatever massive number that turns out to be on any given day. This service is available to the entire population of earth, all you have to do is show up.
However, it is against the law in Texas to trespass, and that applies regardless of your immigration status.
No. of Recommendations: 1
then they do not have the right or authority to imprison border crossers. = 1pg
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Texas may not have that authority for an immigration violation, but these guests are in violation of Texas law.
No. of Recommendations: 2
I didn't know you were a Texan. Let me say howdy. How many guns y'all have?
I never lived in Texas but both my parents were Texans, one from Kerrville, the other from the middle of nowhere on the Edwards Plateau. As a kid I was inordinately proud of the fact that an ancestor on my mother's side had fought and been killed in the Alamo.
Guns? My gun locker only has a 5 shot .38 Chief's Special and a 12 gauge shotgun and neither has been out of that locker in 20 years. As an LE officer I carried a Sig Sauer P226 9mm semi-auto. Late in the career I had an AR-15, a weapon I now wish was banned outside military use.
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Which law? Maybe you or albaby can provide a relevant cite?
Any law that can result in long-term incarceration? I'm not sure trespassing qualifies.
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Which law? Maybe you or albaby can provide a relevant cite?
Any law that can result in long-term incarceration? I'm not sure trespassing qualifies. - 1pg
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Following is a pretty readable summary of the Texas law. Please note it is frequently mis-reported the law gives Texas judges the power to deport. That is wrong. The language below (see last item on list) grants the defendant a choice to avoid prosecution.
What does SB4 do?
Crossing into the U.S. outside of an official port of entry is already a federal crime, though most migrants' violations are treated as civil cases in the immigration court system. SB4 would make illegal immigration a state crime, ranging from a misdemeanor to a felony.
While Texas troopers have already been arresting some migrant adults on state trespassing charges, that effort has required the consent of private property owners. The new law would not.
Under SB4, crossing into Texas illegally from Mexico would be treated as a misdemeanor crime, punishable by up to 180 days in jail and a fine of up to $2,000. Illegal reentry into Texas would be a felony offense, punishable with up to 2, 10 or 20 years in jail, depending on whether the migrant in question had been previously deported or convicted of certain crimes.
SB4 includes a provision that bars state officials from arresting migrants in certain locations, including schools, places of worship and health care facilities.
The law would also allow Texas magistrates to order migrants suspected of committing the new illegal entry or reentry crimes to return to Mexico as an alternative to continuing their prosecution. Those found to violate those orders could be charged with a second-degree felony.
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Thanks. That was informative. I suspect it may get challenged in court, but until then it is Texas law, apparently.
I agree with the other poster that they didn't think it through. They will have to spend thousands per crosser while the await their immigration hearings. That could add up very quickly.
No. of Recommendations: 8
I agree with the other poster that they didn't think it through. They will have to spend thousands per crosser while the await their immigration hearings. That could add up very quickly.
Yes. They've managed to put their appendage into the same trap that the federal government is in.
It's easy to arrest these migrants. DHS takes literally hundreds and hundreds of thousands of them into custody all the time. The problem is what to do with them afterwards.
Texas doesn't have the jail capacity to keep very many of these folks locked up. They don't want to spend the many thousands of dollars per person to do so, even if they did. So they're going to end up having to release them on bail. Which is....exactly the same thing that they're upset at the federal government for doing? "Catch and release" and they show up for a court date? Or in the alternative, they just won't actually arrest very many people - a few for show and the cameras and the viral clips, but they'll mostly ignore their claimed ability to detain them because they don't know what to do with them?
The thread title is wrong, of course, because Texas isn't "blocking" illegals. They're just detaining them after they get here. Even apart from the legal considerations, we'll see if they're really interested in bearing the cost that comes with that.
No. of Recommendations: 3
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