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No. of Recommendations: 1
Mr. Knight and I mentioned that a Shapiro pick would generate headwinds in the democrat party for the simple reason that progressive aren't too fond of da Joos.
How right were we? This right:
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/these-progressiv...Rep. Jared Moskowitz (D-FL) took aim at the progressive wing of his party on Thursday and accused them of not wanting a Jewish vice president.And what did he say?
These Progressives don’t want a Jew. Let’s say it out loud. Imagine if moderate Dems said they didn’t want a certain minority. The condemnations would be deafening. Yet now we hear much silence.And he's right; they don't. Rashida Tlaib is a raving antisemite, how's asking her to appear with Shapiro in say, Dearborn, going to work out? It won't.
So a Shapiro pick presents a dilemma: go with him and you likely win Pennsylvania. But go with him and voters in Dearborn maybe stay home.
No. of Recommendations: 0
Tlaib can rant all she wants. They'll give her a few bucks to shut her up.
On the Democrat side - People of Color - eventually - are shown their place and White Masters remind them that it's better to be serving inside the house, than out on the fields.
They'll fall in line.
Speaking just for myself: I'm GLAD that these things are being said out loud and in some cases, being catered to.
I have tempered high hopes for the next generation of Progressives.
Back to Sir Dope1: Will Dearborn go Trump? Right now, Conservatives love sucking up to Israel and getting nothing but ridicule and scorn in return. I was Dearborn I'd stick with my instincts and go Left, OR stay home. Why would I go with the party I'm suspicious of anyways, especially when they want Israel to have carte blanche to blow my friends away?
Conservatives want to stand on "their convictions!" when it comes to "Israel!". I feel bad for them. Their God needs their mortal asses to guard God's city. LOL -- God can;'t hire Wade for $20 an hour as a security guard, I guess.
No different than like I said on trade and blue collar Americans 20 years ago on TMF - - the Dearborn vote can be a key part in making sure the Right isn't extinct, and actually has governing majorities despite the next generation coming on stream.
No. of Recommendations: 4
Tlaib may be, but part of the progressive wing is Bernie Sanders. Pretty sure he is a Jew. Tlaib does not necessarily represent that entire wing.
Interesting tidbit: Tlaib was "awarded" the title "Anti-Semite of the Year" in 2023 by the Anti-Defamation League. From what I have read, it was because of some of her statements in support of the Palestinian people (though, as near as I can tell, NOT Hamas specifically).
I don't really follow her, but a quick check has her saying things like this:
“From the river to the sea is an aspirational call for freedom, human rights, and peaceful coexistence, not death, destruction, or hate. My work and advocacy is always centered in justice and dignity for all people no matter faith or ethnicity.”
I agree. Freedom, human rights, and peaceful coexistence. I don't consider that anti-semitic. If it is, then I guess I am (even though I'm sure I'm not). Though it was probably short-sighted for her to use that phrase, since Hamas and Hezbollah do not mean it in the same context (i.e. they literally want to expunge the region of Israel and the Jewish people). Even if she is sincere in her explanation, the use of that phrase obviously would make her a target for criticism (and future attack ads when she campaigns for reelection). So it was rather inept of her. The Reps would be incompetent if they didn't use it against her on the next election.
Also, keep in mind that she is of Palestinian heritage (1st generation American). Her being concerned about the Palestinian situation is as natural as a Jewish member of Congress being concerned about 10/7/24, or other such attacks on Israelis.
No. of Recommendations: 2
“From the river to the sea is an aspirational call for freedom, human rights, and peaceful coexistence, not death, destruction, or hate. My work and advocacy is always centered in justice and dignity for all people no matter faith or ethnicity.”
I agree. Freedom, human rights, and peaceful coexistence. I don't consider that anti-semitic.
Oh, boy.
You realize that the folks current *in between the river and the sea* have to go to realize this "vision", right?
That's what makes it antisemitic.
The Israelis are more than willing to live with their neighbors. But time and time again, their neighbors won't even ack their right to exist at all.
No. of Recommendations: 1
From the river to the sea is an aspirational call for freedom, human rights, and peaceful coexistence, not death, destruction, or hate. My work and advocacy is always centered in justice and dignity for all people no matter faith or ethnicity.”
I agree. Freedom, human rights, and peaceful coexistence. I don't consider that anti-semitic.
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Ands *that* is what Democrat Constituencies must live with.
Rock and Roll.
Hey World: More Americans are getting a clue - -- keep up the newsletters.
No. of Recommendations: 12
The Israelis are more than willing to live with their neighbors.
Sure, as long as the neighbors move out of their houses and leave them behind for Israeli settlers.
I will say it worked for white settlers in the US, but that was before the world was paying attention to such things.
No. of Recommendations: 0
Sure, as long as the neighbors move out of their houses and leave them behind for Israeli settlers.
I see. So you think 10/7 was because of settlements in Gaza?
No. of Recommendations: 1
You apparently didn't read what I wrote. I did mention that some folks who utter that phrase mean what you meant, and Tlaib was politically unwise to use the phrase (whether she meant it as she explained, or as Hamas understands it).
No. of Recommendations: 2
You apparently didn't read what I wrote. I did mention that some folks who utter that phrase mean what you meant, and Tlaib was politically unwise to use the phrase (whether she meant it as she explained, or as Hamas understands it).
Tlaib knows damn well what it means and her other statement trying to claim it's not what it means is a bald-faced misrepresentation of it. She has a long history of using antisemitic tropes.
No. of Recommendations: 1
I see. So you think 10/7 was because of settlements in Gaza?
Too simplistic. That's a part of it. Or, rather, the Israeli attitude that they can take land and villages whenever they like. But that's just a symptom of the bigger problems created by a chaotic history of conflict. The Israelis aren't making it any better, and haven't been since they killed Rabin (at least). But "the other side" (Arafat, Hamas, etc) are perpetuating the problems. Hamas pretty much eliminated Fatah, radicals killed Sadat, and more radicals killed Rabin. Any leader from either side trying to coexist.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Too simplistic. That's a part of it. Or, rather, the Israeli attitude that they can take land and villages whenever they like.
The Israelis unilaterally gave up all their Gaza settlements in 2005 and haven't been back since.
Any leader from either side trying to coexist.
Do the Israelis have a habit of indiscriminately lobbing rockets into their neighboring countries?
No. of Recommendations: 1
Tlaib knows damn well what it means and her other statement trying to claim it's not what it means is a bald-faced misrepresentation of it.
She should have, I agree. If she did, then she was even more stupid saying it out loud. If the Reps come up with a non-Trumpie candidate to run against her, they'll have a good chance with the attack ads she is delivering to them on a silver platter.
As far as "antisemitic tropes", I'm not finding much. Just that boneheaded tweet (it was in a tweet). She clearly supports the Palestinian people, and wants a homeland for them. I do, too. Everyone should have a home. I've seen no evidence that she supports the destruction of the state of Israel (except that tweet), nor that she is anti-semitic the same way the tiki-torch marchers were.
I'm not saying I support her. Don't know much about her except for what I've read recently. I'm not impressed that she's doubling down on that slogan, instead of saying she meant it that way, but understands others mean it for the destruction of Israel. A mea-culpa is the correct move, politically. If she can't do that, she should probably be replaced by the voters. Even allowing for the fact that she's 1st generation American, and possibly has had relatives killed by Israel (even before 10/7/23).
But back to your associating antisemitism with progressivism, that just doesn't fly. I'm sure there are some antisemitic people on the left, just as there are on the right. That does not mean you can label all progressives (or conservatives) as 'antisemitic'. Tlaib may be a progressive anti-semite. But Sanders isn't. Warren isn't. I'm not aware that AOC is. Etc.
No. of Recommendations: 1
Do the Israelis have a habit of indiscriminately lobbing rockets into their neighboring countries?
Not that I'm aware of. But Israeli citizens beat-up Palestinians, move into Palestinian territory and set up "outposts", and often government-sanctioned settlements (both of which are illegal under international law). There is no recourse for the Palestinians. The soldiers (and there are always soldiers) side with the settlers almost every time. There was a brief period when the Israeli government was making an effort, and tearing down illegal settlements (outposts), but those days appear to be long gone.
I saw an interview with an official (don't remember the name), and he basically -paraphrasing- said "from the river to the sea" for Israel. That eventually all of it will be Israel. A state for Palestinians is not on his radar, and he doesn't care. As long as all that territory is Israel.
No. of Recommendations: 2
But back to your associating antisemitism with progressivism, that just doesn't fly. I'm sure there are some antisemitic people on the left, just as there are on the right. That does not mean you can label all progressives (or conservatives) as 'antisemitic'. Tlaib may be a progressive anti-semite. But Sanders isn't. Warren isn't. I'm not aware that AOC is. Etc.
Heh. The new home of antisemitism is the democrat party.
We'll see when Chicago gets here!
No. of Recommendations: 2
I don't really follow her, but a quick check has her saying things like this: - 1pg
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"U.S. Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), a Palestinian American, has a Palestinian flag outside her office on Capitol Hill. The flag has sparked controversy and criticism from other lawmakers and citizens amid the recent Hamas terrorist attacks against Israel that killed hundreds of civilians."
No. of Recommendations: 3
"U.S. Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), a Palestinian American, has a Palestinian flag outside her office on Capitol Hill. The flag has sparked controversy and criticism from other lawmakers and citizens amid the recent Hamas terrorist attacks against Israel that killed hundreds of civilians."She's Palestinian-American. It's really a stretch to criticize her for having a Palestinian flag outside her office. If you fly/display an American flag, would you take it down when (for example) Biden is POTUS, but put it up when convict Trump is POTUS? Or would you fly it all the time because it means more than just who is presently in charge?
If she had this flag, I'd be much more concerned:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Hamas#:~:tex...
No. of Recommendations: 0
These Progressives don’t want a Jew. Let’s say it out loud. Imagine if moderate Dems said they didn’t want a certain minority. The condemnations would be deafening. Yet now we hear much silence.
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His feelings are just a flash in the pan. Very limited.
Nobody else in the world. Ni country, no group of people share his feelings in critical mass.
And in all of human history, that sentiment has *never* been prevalent accept for The Progressive Dems, only now for a week or so.
