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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
Number: of 48506 
Subject: One more for the Scotus!!!
Date: 06/30/2023 2:18 PM
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6-3.


LGBT-QAEDA and TRANS-TALIBAN can't force a web designer to construct same sex wedding websites.

Good.


Plenty of vendors who are more than happy to do it - the Mullahs just want to force their will.
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Author: commonone 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Number: of 48506 
Subject: Re: One more for the Scotus!!!
Date: 06/30/2023 4:56 PM
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WiltonKnight: LGBT-QAEDA and TRANS-TALIBAN can't force a web designer to construct same sex wedding websites.

Good.


Plenty of vendors who are more than happy to do it - the Mullahs just want to force their will.



Ignoring the rather silly trolling, I have questions:

1. How did the Christian right group Alliance Defending Freedom gain standing for its client, 303 Creative?

First, no one asked 303 Creative to create a wedding site. When contacted by a reporter, the "Stewart" named in the case (who, incidentally, is a designer too) says he never asked 303 Creative to make a wedding website for him. He said at the time the case was first filed, he was married (to a woman) and had a child. He said: "I'm married, I have a child -- I'm not really sure where that came from? But somebody's using false information in a Supreme Court filing document."

2. 303 Creative had never designed a wedding website and its own website six months prior to the lawsuit being filed in 2016 does not include any of the Christian messaging that it did shortly afterward and today.

So why would Stewart, who lives in San Francisco and insists he never contacted 3030 Creative, choose a website designer in Colorado that never designed a wedding website?

3. Judges always refuse to answer hypothetical questions during confirmation hearings, so how did they accept a case before the court based on a fiction?

4. There's a rumor that ACB, Alito, and Kavanaugh have direct or indirect connections to the Alliance Defending Freedom group. Anyone have any information on this claim or can it be dismissed as unfounded?

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Author: albaby1 🐝 HONORARY
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Number: of 48506 
Subject: Re: One more for the Scotus!!!
Date: 06/30/2023 5:54 PM
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Ignoring the rather silly trolling, I have questions:

And answers ye shall have!

Although the courts do not answer hypothetical statements, neither do they require that a party actually expose themselves to criminal or other sanctions in order to gain Article III standing to challenge a state regulatory or enforcement regime. As long as they can demonstrate that they intend to engage in specific behavior, that the specific behavior would contradict the state's proscriptions, and that there is a "credible threat" of prosecution if they do so, they have sufficient standing to challenge the Constitutionality of that statute. This "credible threat" standard was elaborated in Susan B. Anthony List v. Driehaus (where SCOTUS unanimously struck down Ohio's prohibition on false statements in a campaign):

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/573/13...

So the plaintiff sought an injunction against Colorado against enforcement of the statute against them. The parties stipulated to some of the facts relevant to standing (such as that Plaintiff genuinely intended to establish a wedding website service), but disagreed as to whether there was an actual threat of enforcement against her. When the 10th Circuit ruled on standing, it found that there was a sufficiently material likelihood that: i) at some point someone would attempt to hire her services for a same-sex wedding; ii) she would refuse; and iii) the state would enforce. Because they accepted the Plaintiff's arguments on standing in the abstract (rather than relying on evidence of a specific request for services), that element was never part of the 10th's decision, and not germane to the SCOTUS review. Hence, irrelevant to the Court's disposition.

Links to the opinions by the Tenth and SCOTUS below:

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-cou...
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/21-476...
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
Number: of 48506 
Subject: Re: One more for the Scotus!!!
Date: 06/30/2023 6:46 PM
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Ignore whatever you like.

SCOTUS can speak for me on this one.

They did.

Let me know when you overturn them lol
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
Number: of 48506 
Subject: Re: One more for the Scotus!!!
Date: 06/30/2023 10:22 PM
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Looks like the 'Bake the cake, bigot' meme is officially dead.

The lesson that should be taken away from this (but won't be) is that you can't aggressive sue someone for affirmation. Sadly, the take will be 'The Supreme Court just legalized discrimination'.

It didn't.
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 48506 
Subject: Re: One more for the Scotus!!!
Date: 06/30/2023 11:25 PM
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'Bake the cake, bigot'

IIRC that cake case was a state law, not Fed.
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