It is difficult for an ongoing business (or an investor) to go bankrupt without debt.
- Manlobbi
Stocks A to Z / Stocks B / Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A)
No. of Recommendations: 3
Turns out all these upstanding, honest undocumented citizens were in fact using stolen identities.
Color me shocked!
https://www.judicialwatch.org/stolen-ids-screened-...Dozens of Illegal Aliens Working at Meat Processing Plant with Stolen IDs Screened with E-Verify
Years after Judicial Watch reported that the government’s system to verify if employees are authorized to work legally in the United States approved hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants, federal authorities have uncovered widespread identity theft at a meat processing plant that used the defective tool to screen 100% of its staff. A recent Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) worksite enforcement operation at Glenn Valley Foods in Omaha, Nebraska busted over 70 illegal aliens who were using stolen Social Security numbers and identities to unlawfully obtain wages, health benefits and employment authorization, according to the agency. The criminal identity theft scheme left “more than 100 real victims to face devastating financial, emotional and legal consequences,” ICE writes in its announcement of the operation.As I've said. Illegal immigration is a 'gateway' crime of sorts. It spawns
all kinds of other crimes.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Turns out all these upstanding, honest undocumented citizens were in fact using stolen identities.yabutbut, ask any dem they will tell you we need the illegals to do the jobs American citizens don’t want to
dirty their hands on.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/1ld...
No. of Recommendations: 2
Yep:
“There have been individuals who have gone on the record recently referring to the identity thieves we arrested last week as ‘good, hardworking, and honest,’” said Mark Zito, special agent in charge of Homeland Security Investigations Kansas City, which covers Omaha. “These so-called honest workers have caused an immeasurable amount of financial and emotional hardship for innocent Americans. If pretending to be someone you aren’t in order to steal their lives isn’t blatant, criminal dishonesty, I don’t know what is.”
Again, these folks know exactly what they're doing.
No. of Recommendations: 3
Let's keep stomping this one. Here are the victims of the identity fraud:
A healthcare provider was forced to deny medically necessary prescriptions to a victim in Pennsylvania after his identity was stolen. It was later determined that someone used the victim’s name and Social Security number to illegally gain employment and healthcare benefits based on fraudulent employment at Glenn Valley Foods.
A disabled victim in Texas, who was unable to work, struggled to get their Social Security disability payments because an illegal alien was fraudulently using their identity and earning wages at Glenn Valley Foods.
The IRS requested a victim in Colorado to repay more than $5,000 after their income was falsely increased due to an illegal alien stealing their identity and using it to work at Glenn Valley Foods.
A full-time nursing student from Missouri lost their college tuition assistance because it was fraudulently reported that they earned too much money. The investigation revealed that an illegal alien at Glenn Valley Foods was using their Social Security number for employment. The same victim was also unable to renew their Missouri driver’s license, until HSI contacted the Department of Motor Vehicles on their behalf, because the alien who stole her identity has multiple unpaid traffic violations.
A victim in California has been working for nearly 15 years to regain their identity and fix the financial damage done by an illegal alien who was working at Glenn Valley Foods.
The other victim here is Glenn Valley Foods themselves, who used E-Verify and complied with the law.
No. of Recommendations: 13
As I've said. Illegal immigration is a 'gateway' crime of sorts. It spawns all kinds of other crimes.
Yes! This allows them to pay into other people’s Social Security accounts.
No. of Recommendations: 3
And one more enstompening of the left's talking points.
What about these jobs that Americans won't do?
Turns out that Americans will do them:
https://x.com/trethack24/status/193485190383532900...We all know how the Democrats go on about illegals doing jobs American’s won’t do???
Welp, just 2 days after the Glenn Valley Foods meat packing plant was targeted by ICE raids, NBC News reported the waiting room was full with people, American citizens, filling out job applications…🙄
No. of Recommendations: 3
Yes! This allows them to pay into other people’s Social Security accounts.
Holy criminal justification, batman!
No. of Recommendations: 1
The other victim here is Glenn Valley Foods themselves, who used E-Verify and complied with the law.
Seems they would have valid standing to sue both the state AND federal govts for malfeasance and misrepresentation of the validity of E-Verify. And then be eligible to collect megabucks in compensatory compensation. Sentence the politicians to work at the plant for the rest of their lives.
No. of Recommendations: 1
This allows them to pay into other people’s Social Security accounts.
That does not happen.
No. of Recommendations: 16
That does not happen
Au Contraire
AI Overview:
Using Fake/Borrowed SSNs: Some undocumented workers obtain jobs by using fake or borrowed Social Security numbers (SSNs). While these funds go into the Social Security system, they are credited to the owner of the number, not the undocumented immigrant.
Important to note:
Ineligible for Benefits: Despite paying into the system, undocumented immigrants are generally not eligible to receive Social Security benefits.
Net Positive Effect: Because they pay taxes but rarely collect benefits, undocumented immigrants have a net positive effect on the Social Security Trust Fund's solvency.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Using Fake/Borrowed SSNs: Some undocumented workers obtain jobs by using fake or borrowed Social Security numbers (SSNs). While these funds go into the Social Security system, they are credited to the owner of the number, not the undocumented immigrant.
Important to note:
Ineligible for Benefits: Despite paying into the system, undocumented immigrants are generally not eligible to receive Social Security benefits.
Net Positive Effect: Because they pay taxes but rarely collect benefits, undocumented immigrants have a net positive effect on the Social Security Trust Fund's solvency.That is correct. And has been the case for
decades. Just one of the ways they are a benefit to the people of the USA.
From that standpoint, I can't complain. But, as a matter of ethics, it is unfair. Just as it is unfair they have no redress for grievances regarding their treatment (because if they go to the authorities, they likely will be detained and deported). Which is why we need an overhaul of the system that includes guest/migrant worker visas. I believe sano has said that we had such a program in the 50s, but it went away.
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Yeah...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracero_Program
No. of Recommendations: 2
This allows them to pay into other people’s Social Security accounts.
That does not happen.
Actually, it does. Story up thread of someone getting extra wages posted to their account in this way, then having to repay the extra benefits the ID theft victim received when those wages were removed from their earnings record.
—Peter
No. of Recommendations: 4
From that standpoint, I can't complain. But, as a matter of ethics, it is unfair. Just as it is unfair they have no redress for grievances regarding their treatment (because if they go to the authorities, they likely will be detained and deported). Which is why we need an overhau
Almost goes without saying, don’t you think? Unfortunately the truth of the matter is buried in about six feet of right wing horseshit, which we will have to scrape away before we can even begin to address the matter in a responsible fashion.
No. of Recommendations: 3
Almost goes without saying, don’t you think? Unfortunately the truth of the matter is buried in about six feet of right wing horseshit, which we will have to scrape away before we can even begin to address the matter in a responsible fashion.
The only horsecrap was from the left, which insisted:
-the border couldn't be secured absent horrible legislation
-We can't do any workplace enforcement
-There's NEVER any fraud in Social Security
...and so on.
Face it. You people were wrong - again - on this issue and you're on the wrong side of an 80/20 slam dunk position with the public.
I'll note that all the libs in this thread so far seem to be lamenting that these guys were caught.
No. of Recommendations: 1
As I've said. Illegal immigration is a 'gateway' crime of sorts. It spawns all kinds of other crimes.
Using someone else's social security number in that manner doesn't have to be a crime. Back in the 2010s, which I am familiar with the courts were reluctant to make to make it a crime. I got pulled in for clerical "show" duty one time and found the fellow I was talking to had been audited for four years because someone was using his SSN, and it showed up when he filed his returns. He did some kinda social work with criminals and one of them got his SSN somehow. All people were doing, when they were satisfied, was dismissing the audit. I called social security and they called the employer. SS also had two people talk directly to the person falsely using the social security number. That person used it because he was a felon and it helped him get jobs. He was white and the fellow I helped was black. I took the time to write the fellow a letter explaining what happened, everything I had done, that we verified the man down in Texas wasn't him, so he'd have something to show if this happened again.
Nothing happened to that fellow in Texas for using the SSN. It's my impression it's small potatoes.
No. of Recommendations: 3
Using someone else's social security number in that manner doesn't have to be a crime. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
https://legalclarity.org/what-happens-if-you-use-s...Federal Identity Theft Laws
Federal identity theft laws address the unauthorized use of personal information, such as Social Security numbers, to commit fraud or other crimes. The Identity Theft and Assumption Deterrence Act of 1998 makes it a federal crime to knowingly use another person’s identification without lawful authority to commit or assist in unlawful activities. This law empowers federal authorities to prosecute SSN misuse, emphasizing the seriousness of identity theft.
Penalties for violating these laws can include fines and imprisonment of up to 15 years, depending on the offense’s severity.https://www.congress.gov/105/bills/s512/BILLS-105s...There's the statute.
Nothing happened to that fellow in Texas for using the SSN. It's my impression it's small potatoes.Unless it's your number being stolen, and you get victimized in the ways we see upthread.
No. of Recommendations: 1
It's my impression it's small potatoes.
Hold the employer criminally liable for knowingly employing people using KNOWN FAKE identity documents. Suddenly, employers WILL NOT employ people with funky IDs.
We know it works. There just is no willingness to hold employers responsible.
