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At what point did he "admit to cheating", which seems to be what they are trying to convey? I didn't hear it. He acknowledged that in the past both Republicans and Democrats have "monkeyed around" with elections. I consider it heartening that he acknowledges that Democrats have done it. He's either more in touch with reality or more willing to speak the full truth than, say, DJT for example. Very good qualities for a President and "leader of the free world".
They cut the video off in the middle of him making his point. There was likely a reason for that, presumably because if you listened to his full remarks on the subject, it wouldn't support the (wrong) impression that they are trying to create (and that some people apparently are buying into).
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At what point did he "admit to cheating", - Carplan
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I saw it as Obama stating that cheating has occurred by both parties and will occur again given the nature of people in power. Nothing partisan, nothing sinister....
Since I don't see it, what is the wrong impression you say the video is attempting to create?
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At what point did he "admit to cheating", which seems to be what they are trying to convey? Well, he never really admitted to gaming campaign financing, did he?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti...Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign is allowing donors to use largely untraceable prepaid credit cards that could potentially be used to evade limits on how much an individual is legally allowed to give or to mask a contributor's identity, campaign officials confirmed.Let's expand on this, and say what WaPoo didn't: Obama turned off the AVS (address verification service) feature for his credit card donations. Know what that did?
It meant there was no way to trace how much foreign cash he got. Oh, that must have been an oversight!, one might try as a rejoinder. Nope. You actually pay MORE to the credit card companies when you do that, so that was clearly done deliberately.
Yes. Obama knows all about cheating.
The Obama campaign has shattered presidential fundraising records, in part by capitalizing on the ease of online giving. Of the $150 million the senator from Illinois raised in September, nearly $100 million came in over the Internet.Not a smidge of corruption!
Our resident fact-checker will come along and try to cite this as evidence that Obama fixed the glitch:
https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/obama-2008-......by trying to claim that a thorough investigation was done, yadda yadda yadda.
'At the time, the 2008 campaign was record breaking, with over 3 million grass-roots donors,' Obama campaign spokewoman Katie Hogan said. 'The very few outstanding questions about the $750 million that was raised have now all been resolved.'$375k to enable a flood of untraceable foreign cash? There's a deal that any shady politician would take. And they did.
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Since I don't see it, what is the wrong impression you say the video is attempting to create?
The impression I see them as trying to create is stated directly in the headline in the link: "Obama admits to cheating". He did nothing of the sort. The video appears to be selectively and incompletely taken out of context to somewhat support that impression, if someone is inclined to want to believe that ("A man hears what he wants to hear" and all that). I suspect a full and in context video would paint a very different picture from what is painted there.
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Mike, notice he used the word "machine"? He's talking about this:
The potent Democratic machine that dominated Chicago politics for nearly half a century formed under the leadership of Anton Cermak, a Bohemian immigrant of working-class origins. After the death of Cook County Democratic leader George Brennan in 1928,...
The Democratic machine endured Kennelly's presence in the mayor's office for two terms but then replaced him with a party regular, Richard J. Daley, in 1955. During Daley's prolonged tenure in city hall'he was reelected five times prior to his sudden death in 1976'the machine reached its apogee. At a time when virtually no urban political machines survived, Daley steered the Cook County Democratic organization to one electoral triumph after another. The 'last boss' controlled an estimated 35,000 patronage jobs, the use of which ensured party discipline and relegated the local Republican Party to insignificance.
So your talking about a political machine that doled out patronage jobs, etc., that is famous. It's the longest lasting political machine (1928-1976) and Daley extended it for 20 years after all the other machines died.
Party machine politics ran from the Civil War to 1976. Remember Boss Tweed, Tammany Hall?
That's all Obama's referring to in 2008.
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Except that isn't what happened dope:
The Obama campaign sends along the following response:
'Credit card contributions to Obama for America are, in fact, processed using AVS (Address Verification System).
'If a billing address is verified via AVS, then the credit card contribution is processed without delay. Some transactions caught by AVS may initially appear to a donor to have been accepted even though this is not the case. Obama for America employs a manual process to review any transaction flagged by AVS, also taking into account other fraud risk factors, and using fraud detection services provided by our credit card processor.
'As an example, the contribution discussed here
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/04/dubi... may have initially appeared to have gone through when the donor completed the transaction at 10:18 a.m. but it was rejected at 4:51 p.m. under our standard fraud detection procedures.
'So any claims that Obama for America has disabled AVS are inaccurate; any question about this would have been answered'if the question had been asked.'4 second google and review Dope - that's all it took, please do better.
https://electionlawblog.org/?p=33935
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<<4 second google and review Dope - that's all it took, please do better.>>
Dope loves fascist tactic #4...
4) Unreality. Freedom and political equality require truth. Fascist voices work deliberately to create a state of unreality. Its adherents lose the ability to recognize truth. Reasoned discussion and debate is replaced with conspiracy theories and lies.
See the top ten list:
https://www.shrewdm.com/MB?pid=595911865
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Party machine politics ran from the Civil War to 1976. Remember Boss Tweed, Tammany Hall?
That's all Obama's referring to in 2008. - Lapsody
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That is what I took away from the video. The headline on the video was needlessly provocative as Carplan pointed out but after seeing Obama speak, it was clear to me he was talking about politicians in general and was not admitting any personal guilt. Obama is a sharp politician and would never make such a blunder.
No. of Recommendations: 4
Dope loves fascist tactic #4...
4) Unreality. Freedom and political equality require truth.
If Dope actually vetted the items that he posts, he'd have very little to talk about.
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'As an example, the contribution discussed here http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/04/dubi... may have initially appeared to have gone through when the donor completed the transaction at 10:18 a.m. but it was rejected at 4:51 p.m. under our standard fraud detection procedures.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Yeah, they're telling the truth.
You do better.
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My mother insisted that Goldwater lost because ballot boxes disappeared in key precincts in Chicago. Obviously that was 60 years ago. Back then, the "machine" was a very real thing. And not uncommon in major US cities, from Boss Tweed to Daley for the first century (or more) of our existence. To my knowledge, that pretty much doesn't exist anymore (in the US).
