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“Adam Kredo
November 14, 2023
POLITICS
It's Official: More Americans Dead From COVID Under Biden Than Trump
Mainstream media outlets failed to report the milestone, for some reason.
President Joe Biden has achieved a historic milestone less than a year into his presidency, but the mainstream media don't want you to know about it.
Despite Biden's campaign pledge to "shut down the virus" if elected, 417,610 Americans have died from COVID-19 since Biden was inaugurated, which is more than the 408,450 deaths from COVID-19 that occurred on Trump's watch. Good luck trying to find any recent reporting on these figures in mainstream media outlets. Their silence is in stark contrast to the breathless "blood on his hands" hysteria with which they covered every new case of the virus until precisely Jan. 20, 2021, when the Washington Free Beacon was forced to launch its Biden Covid Death Tracker to ensure the public stayed informed.”
https://freebeacon.com/politics/biden-trump-covid-...bold mine
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“Biden marks one million U.S. COVID deaths after losing political battles
By Trevor Hunnicutt and Jeff Mason
May 12, 20227:02 PM CDTUpdated 2 years ago
WASHINGTON, May 12 (Reuters) - President Joe Biden on Thursday commemorated the COVID-19 deaths of 1 million people in the United States, marking what he called "a tragic milestone" and urging Americans to "remain vigilant" during the ongoing pandemic.
In a statement, Biden acknowledged the impact of the deaths on families left behind and urged the country not to "grow numb to such sorrow."
The United States on Wednesday reached more than 1 million COVID-19 deaths, according to a Reuters tally, crossing a once-unthinkable milestone about two years after the first cases upended everyday life. The loss represents about one death for every 327 Americans, or more than the entire population of San Francisco or Seattle. read more”
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-marks-1-mil...So stop your nonsense left of your Trump Blame Game. It is Biden failure..
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Trump admin’s failure is due to downplaying the threat (deadly), inaction or partial measures, confusion (major problem), and inaccurate public statements ( normal for Trump). Trump is ignorant and his bungling blustery response was an absolute failure of leadership in major proportions.
This had a huge effect on widening the spread which continued on after Trump left office. Let’s pause and give Trump credit for not getting in the way in developing the vaccines, he deserves that, but his failures lead to estimates that as much as 40% of the Covid deaths could have been avoided by proper leadership and response. Attempting to shift the blame to others won’t work on intelligent thinking people as everyone knows Trump was an absolute fool here.
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Yes. Trump is to blame. That publication was typical of the simplistic thinking/writing I've come to expect from right-wing media.
Trump had almost exactly 1 year with COVID. It's been a total of four years now. As you say, give him credit for NOT interfering with development of the vaccine. But his continual misinformation and obstruction about almost everything else cost a lot of lives. (I'm still surprised he didn't fire his CDC head, who contradicted him every time he spoke.)
That article might as well blame whomever wins in 2028 "we just passed 2M COVID-related deaths, and it's all [insert winner in 2028]'s fault!!"
Frankly, that's just stupid. COVID is going to be with us forever, now. Or at least as long as our species survives.**
**And I'm not blaming Trump for that bit. I'm blaming the lab and/or wet market. But once it was out, no POTUS could have stopped it. A reaction not based in denial would have saved a lot of lives, however.
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What COVID highlighted was several things:
1. The public health apparatus in this country sucks.
2. A lot of politicians got a taste of real power...and loved it.
3. We The People surrendered our freedom based on trusting (1) and (2). How'd that work out for the nation as a whole?
4. A lot of what we take for granted is very, very fragile.
5. It's better to make your own shit rather than import it.
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Oh, and I forgot one:
6. The media can be reliably counted on to spread fear, panic and bad information at all times.
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lol@TrumpBlame
Bottom line..
Despite Biden's campaign pledge to "shut down the virus" if elected,
a million and more Americans died from Covid listening and then voting for Biden’s lies.
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LurkerMom: Despite Biden's campaign pledge to "shut down the virus"...
He did.
After Biden took office, on January 22, 2021 the United States was averaging 184,230 cases of Covid-19 per day. A month later, on February 21, cases were down to an average of 66,231 per day. By June 22 cases were down to an average of 11,378 per day.
So from 184,230 cases of Covid-19 per day on average to 11,378 per day on average in 5 months.
When the second variant wave came in the winter of 2022, Trump was telling his rally crowds they didn't need to mask, didn't need to social distance, and didn't need a booster (although he got a booster). The Trump cult was screaming FREEDUM! TYRANNY!
As a result, Trump cultists who lived in counties that voted 60% or higher for Trump in November 2020 had 2.26 times the death rate of those that lived in counties that voted by the same percentage for Biden. Counties with a higher share of Trump votes had even higher mortality rates.
The Trump cult 'stupided' itself to death.
And I do mean stupided:
According to a recent analysis by Brown University, nearly 320,000 lives nationwide could have been saved if more people had chosen to get vaccinated. The Brown analysis also shows a partisan split in how those preventable deaths are distributed. States that went most heavily for Trump -- including Wyoming and West Virginia -- have among the highest rates of preventable deaths, while states that voted heavily for Biden -- such as Massachusetts and Vermont -- had among the lowest.Biden couldn't
make the stupids get vaccinated or take other simple precautions so they died. Needlessly. But they did have their freedom and did own the libs. Until they were dead.
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/19/1098543849/pro-trum...
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**And I'm not blaming Trump for that bit. I'm blaming the lab and/or wet market. But once it was out, no POTUS could have stopped it. A reaction not based in denial would have saved a lot of lives, however. - 1pg
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For whatever Trump did not do, it is worth remembering the damage the post Trump overreaction caused.
- tens, or perhaps hundreds of thousands, of mom and pop shops forced to close and many to never return again, family businesses carefully built for decades wiped out
- citizens being denied their constitutional right to worship in a church, or even go to outside in certain fiefdoms
- the social development and learning loss done to school children kept out of school for one or two years and force masked when they did get back, a gap that will never be fully closed
- masking toddlers to the point of child abuse
- people losing their jobs for deciding for themselves about vaccinations.
Over reaction in many ways is worse than under reaction.
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Biden couldn't make the stupids get vaccinated or take other simple precautions so they died. Needlessly. But they did have their freedom and did own the libs. Until they were dead. - sano
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As it should be. Make your own healthcare decisions and own the consequences. Better than having government coercion take that decision away from you, claiming it is for your own good.
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Over reaction in many ways is worse than under reaction.
Yes. But you can't know that upfront. Initially, all we knew was there was a bug that was swamping hospitals, killing thousands (so many that they had to use refrigerated trucks as morgues), and nobody really knew what was going on. In hindsight, sure...a 4% mortality wasn't that bad**. Had it been a 25% mortality, we would be saying we underreacted. But for the first several months of 2020, we didn't know. Which is why 1poorlady had a major medical procedure out patient. Prior to 2020, she would have spent at least a few days in the hospital. But they didn't want to risk it because we hadn't really nailed that bug down yet. So, still groggy from anesthesia, they sent her home. (No, the procedure couldn't wait...it was considered emergent.)
**though it was still pretty horrific
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Make your own healthcare decisions and own the consequences.
As long as those consequences don't involve me and mine, fine. If they could affect us, then I have something to say about it.
Herd immunity is a real thing, and it works. Really well.
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I should have added:
It's like drunk driving. I don't care if you get blitzed and wrap your car around a tree. That's on you. I DO care if you wrap your car around my car. Which is why I favor laws against DUI.
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bighairymike:
For whatever Trump did not do, it is worth remembering the damage the post Trump overreaction caused.
- tens, or perhaps hundreds of thousands, of mom and pop shops forced to close and many to never return again, family businesses carefully built for decades wiped outSay what, now?
That wasn't
post Trump, that was Trump, in 2020:
By the beginning of April, 24 percent of small businesses had reported temporarily shutting down. By mid-May, more than 100,000 small businesses had closed permanently... So, no, those closed family businesses were not post-Trump.
Trump's one significant success was the mRNA vaccines and he distanced himself from those when his rally audiences started booing him when he suggested they get vaccinated, so he told them to forgetaboutit... no need to get the jab if you don't wanna'. And masks smeared his make-up, so no masks for the manly man.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/5-ways-tr...
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Make your own healthcare decisions and own the consequences. Better than having government coercion take that decision away from you, claiming it is for your own good.
I could agree with that on many things, but when it comes to highly contagious, highly impactful and deadly viruses, the rules change. Then your choices don't just affect you, but everyone around you, and potentially everyone around them, and everyone around them, ad infinitum.
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https://www.americanprogress.org/article/5-ways-tr...“Driven by a commitment to progressive policy, our staff and fellows provide a breadth of expertise and experiences. Some employees at CAP and CAP Action are represented by NPEU-IFPTE Local 70.”
Your link is a liberal left leaning link, I would not believe a word from that site.
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Make your own healthcare decisions and own the consequences. As it should be.
Whatever you say, Typhoid Mary.
In your MAGAmerica you can kill as many people with your stupidity as you please.
Run around with AIDS and screw all the hookers you can. Heck, you'd take out a lot of preachers that way. You might even have gotten Trump by way of Stormy and saved the US a shameful episode.
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<Make your own healthcare decisions and own the consequences. Better than having government coercion take that decision away from you, claiming it is for your own good.>
Unless you are a Woman, of course, in that case the government should take that decision away from you and control your uterus and your life, 100%.
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...the post Trump overreaction caused.
LOL...rewriting history before the ink is even dry. The right has a thousand ways to lie to themselves.
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Make your own healthcare decisions and own the consequences. Better than having government coercion take that decision away from you, claiming it is for your own good.
To be blunt: that is stupid.
We'd still see massive death from small pox, polio and other diseases if we followed that advice. Do you know ANYTHING about history?
