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Author: BenSolar   😊 😞
Number: of 1018 
Subject: The Bear Roars
Date: 04/04/2025 9:03 AM
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As the nations of the world unleash retaliatory tariffs in the throes of the Great Trade War of 2025, economists wail and gnash their teeth at the erection of breathtakingly large barriers to trade between the US and the rest of the world.

While the S&P 500 hasn't hit the the 20% marker of a bear market quite yet (down 14% in the pre-market action right now), the spiking volatility, plummeting stock prices and economic upheaval seem destined to bring that 20% drop sooner than later.

Small cap value (SCV) dropped past the 20% marker yesterday. I.e. The Russell 2000 is down 22% from it's high point 4 months ago.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/IWN/

So, by the 20% yardstick, SCV is in a bear market. Being a more volatile asset class than the S&P 500, bears often take the index down far more than 20%. It was down over 50% in the Great Recession bear, almost 50% in the Covid bear, 30% in the random 2021-23 bear.

Purchasing SCV in the lower reaches of its bear market ranges has been a spectacular investment in the past.

Nailing the bottom is not a viable strategy, but raising some liquidity when things are pricey and dicey like they were recently, and pouncing when the bottom indicators like volatility, volume and breadth are firing should yield excellent results.

The Great Trade War of 2025 seems destined to produce a very significant bear market. I doubt that Trump is going to suddenly relent: he's already been saying we may have to get through a recession to reap the rewards of his policy. Recession looks absolutely inevitable now. Prices also will be spiking to reflect the immense new taxes on many critical goods, so the Fed will be in a bind where they can't cut interest rates like they'd want to, to address a rapidly softening labor market, because inflation is high.

It's a real pickle. The trade is/was a pivot from large cap to cash to small cap value purchased when there's blood in the streets, aka major bottom indicator has fired several times and then goes quiet. In a major bear there could well be another stage down after the first major bottom, but holding out for that can get you left in the rear view mirror by a flip to bull, like happened to me in the Covid bear.

I executed a bit of the large cap -> cash part of the pivot a couple weeks ago. No major moves but sold a couple things. Most of my large cap is in BRK which I'm reluctant to sell. It's levitated so far while the market crashed, as a flight to quality kept it at or near all time highs. I may have to lighten up a bit and move funds to the higher value asset class: SCV at a cyclical low. SCV started off this bear market at roughly average valuation, not a bubbly high valuation like large cap, so it's already down into a range that should produce excellent returns going forward, by any normal standard. If one were lucky/good enough to buy the class after another 20% drop from here, the returns should be spectacular.
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Author: BenSolar   😊 😞
Number: of 1018 
Subject: Re: The Bear Roars
Date: 04/04/2025 11:29 AM
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PS, I sold some BRK today, about 5% off its recent high, and some of a broad index of indexes that I have which is about 7-8% off its all-time high.

Now the plan is to re-invest in DFSV, my preferred vehicle for small cap value, after we've had a cluster of the major bottom indicator firings.

There's obviously some risk in this maneuver and I don't recommend anyone follow my lead. I don't have a very good track record, lol, missing the re-investment part of the Covid bear until the opportunity to profit had passed.

I am confident that we are seeing a very good buying opportunity in SCV, currently down 26% from its all-time high set in November, when it was just a bit over average valuation. It was already below average valuation before the recent bloodbath began. I expect a great buying opportunity to be forthcoming in the near future.
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Author: AdrianC 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 1018 
Subject: Re: The Bear Roars
Date: 04/04/2025 11:35 AM
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Now the plan is to re-invest in DFSV, my preferred vehicle for small cap value

Ben, why DFSV and not Avantis AVUV, which seems to be the hot ticket?

If I understand correctly, Avantis uses value (low P/B) and profitability in their screen: Value and quality.
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Author: BenSolar   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The Bear Roars
Date: 04/04/2025 11:55 AM
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why DFSV and not Avantis AVUV, which seems to be the hot ticket?

If I understand correctly, Avantis uses value (low P/B) and profitability in their screen: Value and quality.


I'm not familiar with Avantis, but at a glance it sounds like a similar instrument to DFSV, which is an active SCV ETF that is managed like an index. Dimensional Funds has been doing it a lot longer than AVUV, in the fund DFSVX, so there's more history there. I wanted to invest in DFSVX for a long time, but it used to only be sold with a load, so I used SCV index funds instead. The introduction of an ETF version made it available without a load.
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Author: AdrianC 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 1018 
Subject: Re: The Bear Roars
Date: 04/04/2025 12:04 PM
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They are similar.

Avantis was started by ex-DFA people.
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