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...he has to remove the evil spirit of Barack Obama from the federal government.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/o...

But the story of Trump’s rise and fall and redemption isn’t over yet. If he doesn’t drive Barack Obama out of Washington, D.C., and dismantle his private- and public-sector network, Trump can still ultimately lose. His first term was undermined by Obama allies in U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies, and there’s evidence that the heart of the resistance is now ensconced inside the Pentagon and already poised to fight him. This threatens not only the Trump presidency but also the stability of the country. After fulfilling campaign promises to close the borders, embark on a massive deportation program sending millions of illegal aliens home, and appoint an attorney general capable of restoring the rule of law, the president-elect’s top priority must be to bring an end to the Obama era.

Obama promised to "fundamentally transform" America, and he did: by fully installing his partisans at all levels of the government and by compromising core American institutions, he absolutely has. For the worse.

It's time to take whatever cutting tool fits for the job and excise the partisan actors from the federal employment roles.

Lee Smith traces the wargames the operatives studied and their path through the media:
With this, the tabletop exercises and the communications component for the anti-Trump Pentagon op are in order. Does the resistance really intend to move pieces in place to split the military or are they just bluffing to get Trump to back off on campaign promises that will topple two of its pillars? It might seem strange to threaten to destabilize the country on behalf of defense bureaucrats and illegal aliens, but the former constitute a crucial part of Obama’s network, and giving the latter the vote, as Trump’s landslide victory shows, may be the Democrats’ best chance to win national elections in the near future. It’s tempting to read the Brooks scenarios and the CNN report as resistance porn—a performance of the rituals and motions that this class has accustomed itself to over the course of the past eight years, as it now braces for the return of the president it did its best and failed to destroy.

Would Obama fracture the military to once again cripple Trump’s term in office? The former president is in a decidedly weaker position and facing a battle-hardened Trump. Still, it would be reckless to assume the best from the man who already proved his willingness to weaponize the national security apparatus against his political opponent. The president-elect shouldn’t take any chances.

But the story of Trump’s rise and fall and redemption isn’t over yet. If he doesn’t drive Barack Obama out of Washington, D.C., and dismantle his private- and public-sector network,

Spoken like a true fascist.

Drive a former president out of town and dismantle his private network< .

Please compare:

Public statements made by Obama about Trump while Trump was president with-

Statements made by Trump about Biden while Biden was president.

You’ll have trouble meeting my first request because there’s almost nothing there.

Request #2 should be quite easy. Trump made an outrageous statement about Biden almost every single day of Biden’s presidency, beginning on Day 1 when he refused to attend Biden’s inauguration. He was too busy stuffing classified documents in cardboard boxes to store in a Mar-a-Lago bathroom.

But don’t worry. Your wish will most likely be fulfilled.

Spoken like a true fascist.

Hahahahahahahahaa.
Yup, put your people in place to actively subvert the government, then scream when people find out about it and start yelling FASCISTPUTINNAZIHITLER.

Public statements made by Obama about Trump while Trump was president with-

Statements made by Trump about Biden while Biden was president.

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I don't need to answer, other than to post this
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-defends-d...

Replete with the blood-red background, no less!

What's hilarious is that you people who have been shouting HITLERNAZIPUTINFACSISTNAZIHITLER are pretending to have some kind of moral high ground.

Hint: You don't.
Based on the last 20+ years of being called every name in the book by the goobs on this board and on PA Jedi, LM, Mike and myself have unlimited license to say whatever we want because we've been literal saints for decades+ now.

Yup, put your people in place to actively subvert the government,

Dissent is not subversion

You’ve dissented for the last four years. And before that- through the eight years of Obama’s presidency. And over that time, how many times did you voice the desire to see elected officials frogmarched in handcuffs?

And now that Republicans have
Won all three branches of government, you’re calling, JUST TODAY, for the banisment of a private citizen and the dismantling of his “network”.

You really do buy into this “enemies within” bullshit.

Fascists always do.

Dissent is not subversion

libs tell themselves, then go out and collude with foreign agents to disrupt the US government. Then try to claim they're upholding American democracy.

And fail to see the problem.

You’ve dissented for the last four years. And before that- through the eight years of Obama’s presidency. And over that time, how many times did you voice the desire to see elected officials frogmarched in handcuffs?

Did I launder campaign contributions to foreign agents?
Did I riot?
Did I follow some official home and terrorize his/her kids?
Did I riot?
Did I violate someone else's Constitutional rigths?

No, no, no, no, and no.

Can democrats say the same?

El nope-o.

Won all three branches of government, you’re calling, JUST TODAY, for the banisment of a private citizen and the dismantling of his “network”.

LOL. I said get rid of his partisan operatives.

Time for you to go on some meds.

Did I launder campaign contributions to foreign agents?
Did I riot?
Did I follow some official home and terrorize his/her kids?
Did I riot?
Did I violate someone else's Constitutional rigths?

No, no, no, no, and no.

Can democrats say the same?


This Democrat can.

Neither one of us speaks for everyone on our sides, and you certainly don’t speak for the futre president of the United States who is staffing up to make good on his promise of “retribution” and being a “dictator on day 1”

And of course, now you’re joking about taking bets on how far the heads will roll.

Atrocity is always a funny thing to fascists. They make jokes about it. And when the atrocities are finally stopped, they swear they knew nothing about it.

Get off the hate bus while you still can, Dope

Can democrats say the same?

El nope-o.

Plenty of democrats can say the same. I can. I didn't do any of those things. I know literally hundreds of Democrats IRL who didn't do any of those things. In fact, I think it's a fair bet that 99% of people who are registered Democrats have never done any of those things.

There are some conservatives who did those things, but none of them are on this board. No one here personally engaged in any of those activities. Again, I think it's likely that 99% of registered Republicans haven't done any either.

There are specific Democrats who have done those things, and there are specific Republicans who have done all those things as well. That doesn't mean Democrats do those things - or Republicans, either.

It's a common problem in communicating about politics - ambiguity in describing groups. If five individual Democrats do "X," it's technically correct to say that "Democrats do X" - even if "X" is something that nearly all Democrats never do. And for Republicans as well.

Plenty of democrats can say the same. I can. I didn't do any of those things. I know literally hundreds of Democrats IRL who didn't do any of those things. In fact, I think it's a fair bet that 99% of people who are registered Democrats have never done any of those things.

The folks that DID do many of those things are in core jobs in agencies in D.C. and have proven that their oaths of office/employment agreements don't mean much to them.

So why not get rid of them? The country doesn't need this.

Neither one of us speaks for everyone on our sides, and you certainly don’t speak for the futre president of the United States who is staffing up to make good on his promise of “retribution” and being a “dictator on day 1”

Let's remind the board for the record which side of the aisle has persisted with calling the other side "terrorists" "Nazis" "fascists" etc. etc. for years.

It's not been the 4 of us on the right who post here regularly. Nope. That's all coming from your side, you in particular, and many others that I flat-out ignore.

And of course, now you’re joking about taking bets on how far the heads will roll.

Dude, when you accuse me of being Madame Defarge I'm going to either reply in kind -or- magnify the ridiculousness of the accusation. In this case I went with Door #2.

Atrocity is always a funny thing to fascists. They make jokes about it. And when the atrocities are finally stopped, they swear they knew nothing about it.

aaaaaand you did it again.
Ridiculous stuff doesn't merit my taking the premise seriously...so I'm not going to.

Get off the hate bus while you still can, Dope

Nobody hates like a liberal.

The folks that DID do many of those things are in core jobs in agencies in D.C. and have proven that their oaths of office/employment agreements don't mean much to them.

So why not get rid of them? The country doesn't need this.

The same analysis applies. Almost none of the many tens of thousands of people in core jobs in agencies were doing any of these things. They weren't rioting, they weren't following people home or terrorizing anyone, they weren't denying people their constitutional rights. They're just people working their jobs and trying to advance the policies they believe in (even if you disagree with what they think is the right policy).

If you're ever looking at a small handful of people and telling yourself, "Well, that's what Democrats are all like," you're going to end up with a really distorted view of Democrats. And you obviously hate it when Democrats/progressives do that to you - you think they're wrong when they look at a subset of Republicans and conclude that that's what Republicans are like as a group. You clearly think the correct answer is that political parties that contain literally tens of millions of people are going to be varied and contain all kinds of people, good and bad - so that should apply to Democrats as well.

Let's remind the board for the record which side of the aisle has persisted with calling the other side "terrorists" "Nazis" "fascists" etc. etc. for years.

Let's also remind the board for the record that the most effective defense to charges of libel or slander is that the statements are true.

Dissent is not subversion - Bill

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Not really that simple at all. Dissent on your own time on the public square or in the privacy of your home, fine. Bring it to work in the executive branch and covertly work to undermine the duly elected president, not so much.

The same analysis applies. Almost none of the many tens of thousands of people in core jobs in agencies were doing any of these things. They weren't rioting, they weren't following people home or terrorizing anyone, they weren't denying people their constitutional rights. They're just people working their jobs and trying to advance the policies they believe in (even if you disagree with what they think is the right policy).

Here's the rub. They don't get to pick who the political leadership is. They vote like everyone else, but they can't be partisan democrats working for other partisan democrats and implementing partisan democrat policies. No. That's not how our system works.

Their jobs are to execute the policies set forth by the duly elected political leadership. No one elected the Deep State. They're not extraConstitutional overlords who can affect public life.

The title is "public servant" for a reason.

If their egos can't handle the fact that for a second time the broader public voted in a guy they find personally repulsive, that's too freaking bad. Peter Drucker said that at the end of the day all employees are volunteers and if they can't serve the new administration by implementing their policies then they need to be shown the door.

If you're ever looking at a small handful of people and telling yourself, "Well, that's what Democrats are all like," you're going to end up with a really distorted view of Democrats.

I think I've walked into the Twilight Zone, where after a Presidential campaign in which Trump supporters were called Nazis over and over again the democrats are somehow victims.

Let's remind the board for the record which side of the aisle has persisted with calling the other side "terrorists" "Nazis" "fascists" etc. etc. for years.

It's not been the 4 of us on the right who post here regularly.

Correct. And the reason is because the neo-nazis and fascist are squarely on the right side of the line.

Domestic terrorism is primarily, per the FBI, a right wing problem.

Nazi flags fly on the same pole with Trump flags.

Book burning, attacking jounalists (fake news), forcing religion into schools... it's all yours, pumpkin.

Own it.

Their jobs are to execute the policies set forth by the duly elected political leadership. No one elected the Deep State. They're not extraConstitutional overlords who can affect public life.

Of course not. But neither is the President an extraConstitutional overlord, either.

These people work for the U.S. Government. They do not work for the President. They are not his personal employees.

This is, again, where people screw up when they conceptualize the government as being like a private company, and the President like a CEO. That's not how the government works. The "political leadership" of the U.S. government includes Congress. Congress sets their budgets, drafts the rules that govern their agencies, creates their agencies in the first place, subjects them to constant oversight, and gives them direction on how Congress wants them to do their jobs. The President has the Executive power, and the Congress has the Legislative power - and neither is neatly cabined into a tightly drawn space.

So if some undersecretary of the interior is doing something that the Chair of the House Natural Resources Committee doesn't like, he's going to hear about it. He might get called in for a nasty hearing. He might have his budget threatened. He might have his Secretary called up to bet yelled at.

All of these folks work for more than just the President, and Congress - even the opposition party in Congress - has enormous power over the federal government. And just because Presidents (and their supporters) get annoyed at that doesn't make it wrong. It's how our government was designed and intended to function.




[N.B.] - and that's ignoring the fact that some of the laws require these employees to exercise independent judgment. Many, if not most, regulatory frameworks are set up so that they are legally required to be implemented according to the laws that have been written and the regulations on the books, and the ability of the President to make changes through incipient policy is limited by the fact that he - and the employees - are required to follow the law. And for some agencies, like DOJ, they exercise and oversight and enforcement role even against the Executive itself, because part of their job is to make sure the government follows the law even if the President doesn't want them to. A great deal of what DJT complained about with the "deep state" stemmed from his inability to conceive that the government has a different organizational structure than a closely-held private corporation.

I think I've walked into the Twilight Zone, where after a Presidential campaign in which Trump supporters were called Nazis over and over again the democrats are somehow victims.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

https://www.newsweek.com/swastika-flags-flown-dona...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hail-hitler-and-...

https://www.businessinsider.com/nazi-flags-display...

Let's remind the board for the record which side of the aisle has persisted with calling the other side "terrorists" "Nazis" "fascists"

Trump spewed those words at the Democrats endlessly. Sheesh. You know...the enemy within. He's a fascist.

Fascist: "Let's remind the board for the record which side of the aisle has persisted with calling the other side "terrorists" "Nazis" "fascists" etc. etc. for years."

Antifascist: "Let's also remind the board for the record that the most effective defense to charges of libel or slander is that the statements are true."

Weekend news: Trump nominated Pete Hegseth, an Army National Guard veteran and co-host on the weekend edition of Fox & Friends, to become the secretary of defense.

Since that announcement, news has broken that a fellow service member who was the unit’s security guard and on an anti-terrorism team flagged Hegseth to their unit’s leadership because one of his tattoos is used by white supremacists.

Of course, the swastika was an indian religious symbol, so it's perfectly plausible that Hegsth's white supremacist tattoo spotted by an anti-terrorist team member is actually an homage to orphaned kittens.

And the RUNE stage design used by the RNC was just a koinkidink.

So many koinkidinks.

But Trump is not a Nazi. His Nazi speeches; just more koinkidinks.

calling the other side "terrorists" "Nazis" "fascists" etc. etc. for years.

Even though I showed you that Homeland Security deemed right wing militant extremists as the more significant domestic terrorist threat than foreign terrorism, you simply ignored it, or didn't believe it, or thought it was a manipulated conclusion. It didn't agree with your "gut" so it went by the wayside. You need to tell the RW militant part of your party to get out. You can't have it both ways and Homeland Security compiled the data and made the assessments. Instead, what it looks like is that you give it a wink and embrace it. When you ignore the data and embrace it, you are embracing domestic terrorism and fascism. Modernly, Nazis fall under fascism. You look like proto-fascists to me. You made your choice a while back, live with it.

You need to tell the RW militant part of your party to get

I don't need to tell anyone to do anything. Your WHITESUPREMACISTS nonsense carries about as much weight as calling Republicans terrorists and/or Nazis.

Grow up. Learn politics. Actually go talk to people.

Or don't. I don't care one way or the other.

You look like proto-fascists to me. Y

That's nice. When you post this stuff it makes me dismiss everything you have to say and make me keep your around merely for entertainment purposes.

I don't need to tell anyone to do anything. Your WHITESUPREMACISTS nonsense carries about as much weight as calling Republicans terrorists and/or Nazis.

Then don't come complaining about people calling some in your party terrorists and fascists, simple. Winning this election doesn't mean you aren't going to get a comeuppance. You harbor domestic terrorists - live with that. You harbor fascists and proto-fascists - live with that and don't whine about it. You have a serious White Christian Nationalist problem also that's really just white christian racism.

We can probably survive Trump. We are going to have to deal with why we lost, but I'm doing OK because Albaby prepped me for this. The problem is how far Trump will go is X the unknown. If the tariffs are ~10% we should be able to handle that. Krugman did a piece on tariffs when Trump proposed and levied the first ones. Greater than 10% and it's anybodies guess. If Trump tries mass deportation we are in for a bad time I think. We can handle deporting criminal illegals and even revoking citizenship on criminals I think. But I think mass deportations will cause huge problems.

I think our reputation worldwide has taken and will take more of a huge hit. I wasn't prepared to read some of the criticisms of the USA on X that I was reading.

When you post this stuff it makes me dismiss everything you have to say

First, on youtube, google play, or audible, you can watch or listen to anything by Ian Kershaw on Hitler. His two volume book on Hitler is considered the best rendition, and he later condensed it to one volume, but most people can handle videos or audio while they work out or do house chores. Otherwise they get bored.

What you do after that is up to you.

I posted a link to Eve of Destruction not to long ago. One of the lyrics "you can hate your neighbor, but don't forget to say grace" comments on a problem the USA has.

First, on youtube, google play, or audible, you can watch or listen to anything by Ian Kershaw on Hitler. His two volume book on Hitler is considered the best rendition, and

LOL. I don't need history lessons from some lib on WW2 and thereabouts.

"Let's remind the board for the record which side of the aisle has persisted with calling the other side "terrorists" "Nazis" "fascists" etc. etc. for years." - Dope

You mean when Trump sat and had dinner with an actual Nazi supporter and you defended it? Or when actual Nazis marched in Charlottesville and Trump defended them and you defended Trump? Or when a terrorist like the Bundys threatened law enforcement officials and destroy land you defend them? Or when Trump constantly makes fascist statements (jailing political enemies and stuff like that), and you defend him?

Here is a clue:

If you don't like be lumped in with the terrorists, nazis, and fascists, STOP defending and advocating for them.

It is pretty simple.

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"Atrocity is always a funny thing to fascists. They make jokes about it. And when the atrocities are finally stopped, they swear they knew nothing about it." - Peter

"aaaaaand you did it again.
Ridiculous stuff doesn't merit my taking the premise seriously...so I'm not going to." - Dope

Multiple police officers were killed because of what happened on January 6th. Dozens more were injured. Many severe enough that they could never work gain. All of that happened because Trump took the fascist action of trying to overturn a free and fair election in order to remain in power. Not only do you regularly defend those who committed those atrocities, you now think anyone pointing this stuff out is being ridiculous. You aren't going to address the point because you can't. You want everyone to forget about the atrocities you regularly defended.

Most decent would oppose the killing of police officers in order to overturn an election. You think worrying about it is ridiculous. That says a lot about you. It is also a perfect example of you matching Peter's description. You supported the fascist action of trying to overturn a free and fair election, then you later paper over your support like it wasn't you. You showed more support for Ashley Babbit, a person who was part of a violent mob, then you have ever shown for any of the poor law enforcement officers who risked their life doing their job.

Furthermore, Peter was spot on with his description and to demonstrate, I can give many examples of atrocities you supported in real time only to later minimize your support:

1. The Iraqi invasion. You were one of the most diehard supporters of the invasion of Iraq and regularly used to portray anyone who disagreed with you as being un-American. Now after 2.5 decades, where it turned out a monstrous, expensive disaster that cost tons of U.S. treasure and U.S. soldiers lives and accomplished very little except to push Iraq closer to Iran, you paper over your support and pretend like it never happened.

2. Abu Ghraib. Where U.S. soldiers tortured Iraqi prisoners. You defended the actions of the torturers and attacked anyone who pointed out that it was wrong.

3. Guantanamo Bay. You supported setting up an extra-judicial prison outside the system where human beings could be tortured. Again, you regularly attacked anyone who disagreed and thought that laws should be followed. You accused them of supporting terrorists. Then when pretty much everyone (including Republicans) recognized that Guantanamo Bay was a bad idea and a big problem. Your support just fades away and you pretend it wasn't you. Even more hypocritical, you pretend that you now support law and order.

4. The torture memos. When Albert Gonzolez had the DOJ under Bush tried to justify the torture of prisoners, you were there to support it, despite the fact that it went against treaties the U.S. had signed and law the U.S. had passed. Once again, you attacked anyone who called it wrong.

5. Over the years there have dozens of episodes (literally too many to account for) where police officers aggressively used deadly force against people of color who were doing nothing that deserved the use of deadly force against them. Each and every time you have absolutely resisted the idea that the cop went too far and have fully supported the use of deadly force against people of color who never deserved it. You have never said otherwise despite many opportunities to do so.

6. Abortion. You were one of the loudest supporters of outlawing abortion. You supported politicians who wanted it outlawed, and you fully supported judges who did outlaw it. You used to call people who thought differently than you baby-killers or accused them of wanting to kill babies. Then you get your wish and 11 years old girls who were raped by their uncles and have to carry the baby to term start appearing in the news or mothers in Florida or Texas who die because they suffered complications during pregnancy and were turned away from hospitals because the hospital was forbade by laws (you supported) from doing the one thing that could protect the life of the mother. You see the results of the atrocity you fully supported and now you pretend that you never really wanted were against abortions and insist that most Republicans weren't against abortions.

7. January 6th (including submitting fake electors). You were fully supportive of every step Donald Trump took of overturn a free and fair election, including inciting a mob to beat up police officers and threaten politicians with death. That is textbook fascism and it had your full support. Now you pretend it wasn't that big of a deal and you were not a full supporter.

8. Under George Bush, the Israelis government regularly pushed peaceful Palestinian landowners off of the land they owned by force and then had Jewish settlers have the land to build homes on. That is an atrocity no matter how you slice it. It may not quite be genocide, but it isn't too far away. You always supported those atrocities and accused anyone (even Jewish people) who were against those actions of being antisemitic.

We all understand that you hate being lumped in with Nazis, terrorists, fascists, and such. However maybe you take a look in the mirror at your own actions. If you don't want to be lumped in, stop supporting people who engage in those behaviors and speak up against the people who engage in those behaviors. As I have clearly shown, you have not only supported, but defended Nazis, terrorists, fascists, racists, torturers, rapists, frauds, people stealing from charities, politicians benefitting from their position in government, politicians risking the lives of Americans because they knowingly and regularly mishandled classified information.

If you really think Peter description of you was ridiculous. Ask yourself who you have made hundreds of posts defending people who were part of a violent mob threatening politicians with death, yet you have never made even a single post condemning those people who violently attacked law enforcement and threatened politicians with violence. Why is that?

"Let's remind the board for the record which side of the aisle has persisted with calling the other side "terrorists" "Nazis" "fascists" etc. etc. for years." - Dope

And it should not be lost how hilarious it is to see Dope whine about the labels he gets labeled with after years of him labeling other posters "Un-American", or "traitors", or "baby killers", "antisemitic" etc. simply because they disagreed with him.

Dope's lack of self-reflection is truly astounding.

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