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Author: zeelotes 🐝🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Bear markets
Date: 03/15/24 10:56 AM
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Jim wrote: To a large extent I was commenting on market tops, the end of a bull which is the start of the bear. They tend to be pretty rounded and gradual overall (though a bit squiggly/jagged short term). Bull market euphoria fades only slowly as many people are habituated to buying on every dip.

Bear market bottoms, as Zeelotes mentions, tend to be pointy: sharp drop, and (when it comes) sharp rebound.

A method I use to demonstrate this is based on using 20% Peak-Trough analysis based on close prices. This finds all major market peaks and all major market bottoms. I also remove 20% moves within a bear market and only show the highest high prior to the bear market and the absolute final bottom at the end of the bear market.

I find the # of market days that are within x% of each peak and each trough. The table that follows is based on 5% to 30%. The basic point should be obvious. Bear market bottoms tend to be more volatile and dramatic, whereas market peaks are slow in arriving and being sure it is truly a bear market in motion. Here are a few thoughts that flow from this study. NDX100 is from 1983 to present, whereas the S&P 500 is from 1928 to present.

1. The days within 5% of a bottom are a fraction of the days within 5% of a market peak. The latter is about five times larger.
2. The days within 30% on either side are three times larger for peaks than for bottoms.

                   NDX100                 S&P 500          
Total Before After Total Before After
95% 105% Top 40 21 21 71 36 36
Bottom 6 3 3 13 6 8
90% 110% Top 93 51 44 204 103 102
Bottom 22 12 11 38 19 20
85% 115% Top 173 102 72 326 168 159
Bottom 43 21 23 74 31 44
80% 120% Top 265 152 114 408 210 199
Bottom 66 31 37 99 42 58
75% 125% Top 337 196 142 471 238 234
Bottom 84 37 48 114 51 64
70% 130% Top 378 216 163 496 250 247
Bottom 101 48 54 123 58 66


Here is an illustration of this with the details for the Nasdaq 100:

P-T         NDX100     90%       110%        400         100         Days Within          
Date Price At Position Range Before After Total Before After
6/16/1983 163.71 Top $147.34 5/12/1982 7/20/1984 72 27 46
7/24/1984 98.96 Bottom $108.86 4/15/1984 11/1/1984 67 52 15
10/6/1987 214.03 Top $192.63 9/1/1986 11/9/1988 67 60 8
10/28/1987 126.25 Bottom $138.88 7/20/1987 2/5/1988 10 3 8
7/16/1990 246.82 Top $222.14 6/11/1989 8/20/1991 125 103 23
10/12/1990 162.55 Bottom $178.81 7/4/1990 1/20/1991 26 9 18
7/21/1998 1,485.97 Top $1,337.37 6/16/1997 8/25/1999 60 14 47
10/8/1998 1,063.27 Bottom $1,169.60 6/30/1998 1/16/1999 3 3 1
3/24/2000 4,816.35 Top $4,334.72 2/18/1999 4/28/2001 17 13 5
10/8/2002 795.25 Bottom $874.78 6/30/2002 1/16/2003 16 14 3
10/31/2007 2,239.23 Top $2,015.31 9/26/2006 12/4/2008 88 41 48
11/21/2008 1,018.86 Bottom $1,120.75 8/13/2008 3/1/2009 5 3 3
10/1/2018 7,700.56 Top $6,930.50 8/27/2017 11/5/2019 240 106 135
12/24/2018 5,895.12 Bottom $6,484.63 9/15/2018 4/3/2019 12 5 8
2/19/2020 9,736.57 Top $8,762.91 1/15/2019 3/25/2021 72 35 38
3/23/2020 6,771.91 Bottom $7,449.10 12/14/2019 7/1/2020 6 6 1
11/22/2021 16,764.86 Top $15,088.37 10/18/2020 12/27/2022 100 59 42
10/13/2022 10,440.64 Bottom $11,484.70 7/5/2022 1/21/2023 49 11 39
Top 93 51 44
Bottom 22 12 11


Jim's conclusion on how best to trade a major bottom I'd agree with and many years ago I proved this out with a whole slew of posts on the subject.
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