Be kinde to folk. This changeth the whole habitat.
- Manlobbi
Halls of Shrewd'm / US Policy
No. of Recommendations: 2
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/garland-announce...So, among other things, Congress can't subpoena and Dope, Lurker Mom, etc., will burrow deeper into the Q zone to come up with more innuendo, insinuation, and outright lies... but wait, almost forgot, there's also double secret special counsel to rely on for titillation.
No. of Recommendations: 2
So, among other things, Congress can't subpoena and Dope, Lurker Mom, etc., will burrow deeper into the Q zone to co
So now you're insulting people? Fair enough.
I guess when you can't wave your hand fast enough to make the corruptive stink of this administration go away, it's all go you. Go for it, player.
No. of Recommendations: 1
Katie Pavlich sums it up:
The same U.S. Attorney who gave Hunter Biden the sweetheart plea deal (misdemeanors instead of felonies) that is currently being renegotiated because it completely fell apart after a judge caught a buried broad immunity clause, has been appointed as Special Counsel? ....okhttps://twitter.com/KatiePavlich/status/1690038704...bbbbbbbbut he was appointed by Trump!
No. of Recommendations: 3
Dope1: bbbbbbbbut he was appointed by Trump!
Had Biden or Garland removed David Weiss, you guys would have screamed bloody murder. The fact that Weiss screwed the pooch is pretty par for the course for a Trump appointee, no?
I think I mentioned in another, earlier thread that Hunter Biden might skate on charges because of Trump's political influence -- his relentless hammering against Hunter Biden and his calls to jail him -- forensics that confirmed the laptop hard drive had been hacked and there was no chain of custody, and other poisonous tree branches that will prevent FARA evidence from ever getting into a courtroom. Oh, and statute of limitations. I mean, Jeebus, Hunter Biden has been under investigation for years now.
Not to mention that even the misdemeanor charges were pretty unusual... almost nobody gets charged when they actually pay the past due taxes and didn't a case just get overturned in the Supreme Court as unconstitutional for exactly what Hunter Biden was charged with in the gun license portion of the plea agreement: the "not using drugs" statement?
So, hey, for once I agree with you: Weiss messed this up good.
But so did Hunter Biden's attorneys.
And for crying out loud, Hunter Biden is a Yale Law School grad, too.
No. of Recommendations: 2
So, among other things, Congress can't subpoena and Dope, Lurker Mom, etc., will burrow deeper into the Q zone to co
So now you're insulting people? Fair enough.
Oh, the Q zone is an insult? My apologies. What do y'all call it then? The him/her zone? ;P Just teasin.
No. of Recommendations: 1
Katie Pavlich sums it up:
The same U.S. Attorney who gave Hunter Biden the sweetheart plea deal (misdemeanors instead of felonies) that is currently being renegotiated because it completely fell apart after a judge caught a buried broad immunity clause, has been appointed as Special Counsel? ....ok
No. I remember this one - the judge questioned the deal because it looked like Hunter Biden attorneys might think he got immunity to some things that he didn't get immunity to - which she thought was unethical and didn't want to do it because of that. Then the really disheartening part - it looked like the crew investigating Hunter Biden violated his 6th Amendment rights. Somebody was sticking memos in the case file stating that. I questioned it here in this forum and got no answers, so nobody knew enough. This might have to do with his right to counsel. It's disheartening for two reasons, 1. I don't like to think our agents blew an investigation by violating someone's rights, and 2. I can see all the accusations coming down the road (they're already here) and who wants to deal with that.
No. of Recommendations: 2
No. I remember this one - the judge questioned the deal because it looked like Hunter Biden attorneys might think he got immunity to some things that he didn't get immunity to - which she thought was unethical and didn't want to do it because of that. - Lapsody
------------------------
No - I remember this one too. The judge discovered a broad grant (crimes still under investigation, crimes not yet discovered, that sort of thing) of immunity for Hunter deep in the fine print of some supporting document, something she apparently wasn't supposed to find. When she questioned the attorneys about support, ie precedent, for such a broad grant, they couldn't cite any. Hunters attorney's thought they had agreed to broad immunity but the prosecutors couldn't defend that to judge, so it was out. Hunter would not agree to the plea agreement without it meeting his understanding of granting broader immunity, so they parties were at an impasse and Hunter rather than pleading guilty under plea agreement entered a plea of not guilty.
No. of Recommendations: 2
No - I remember this one too. The judge discovered a broad grant (crimes still under investigation, crimes not yet discovered, that sort of thing) of immunity for Hunter deep in the fine print of some supporting document, something she apparently wasn't supposed to find. When she questioned the attorneys about support, ie precedent, for such a broad grant, they couldn't cite any. Hunters attorney's thought they had agreed to broad immunity but the prosecutors couldn't defend that to judge, so it was out. Hunter would not agree to the plea agreement without it meeting his understanding of granting broader immunity, so they parties were at an impasse and Hunter rather than pleading guilty under plea agreement entered a plea of not guilty.
You are 100% correct. Weiss tried to pull a fast one on the judge by hiding the real plea agreement in some side documents, a deal that would have excused Hunter from literally everything he's ever done. That deal is dead, and now he goes to trial.
I don't care what the apologists here say: this whole thing is corrupt. Garland doesn't want Weis in front of Comer's or Jordan's committees and so only now - after the statute of limitations on many of Hunter's crimes have passed - does he get the "Special Counsel" title that Weiss himself said he didn't need.
Their plan is to run out the clock until Biden wins in 2024, then they can hand out a slap on the wrist and The Big Guy can issue a blanket pardon with zero political consequences.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Had Biden or Garland removed David Weiss, you guys would have screamed bloody murder.Why?
The fact that Weiss screwed the pooch is pretty par for the course for a Trump appointee, no?Obama named him interim US Attorney, so the dart you threw just stuck Barack in the ass. Good shootin', Tex.
I think I mentioned in another, earlier thread that Hunter Biden might skate on charges because of Trump's political influence -- his relentless hammering against Hunter Biden and his calls to jail him -- forensics that confirmed the laptop hard drive had been hacked and there was no chain of custody, and other poisonous tree branches that will prevent FARA evidence from ever getting into a courtroom. Oh, and statute of limitations. I mean, Jeebus, Hunter Biden has been under investigation for years now.And this is why you're not an attorney. You're aware that by accepting a plea he's already admitted to a ton of crimes, right?
Not to mention that even the misdemeanor charges were pretty unusual... almost nobody gets charged when they actually pay the past due taxes and didn't a case just get overturned in the Supreme Court as unconstitutional for exactly what Hunter Biden was charged with in the gun license portion of the plea agreement: the "not using drugs" statement?Actually for what Hunter did people get slapped with felonies and do hard time, especially the gun part.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/youd-go-to-prison-for...While the U.S. attorney for Delaware was negotiating for Hunter Biden to plead to two misdemeanor tax charges, other things were happening in neighboring New Jersey. Last week U.S. District Judge Stanley R. Chesler sentenced Gabriel M. Ferrari, owner of a Linden auto-repair shop, to one year and one day in prison after Mr. Ferrari pleaded guilty to filing a false company tax return. His return failed to include all his income and claimed deductions for personal expenses, including gambling on horse races. In addition to the prison term, he will be required to pay restitution.As for this:
Weiss messed this up good.You actually got this right: Weiss DID mess up. His job was to make this alllll go away quietly, and he failed.
No. of Recommendations: 2
bighairymike: The judge discovered a broad grant (crimes still under investigation, crimes not yet discovered, that sort of thing) of immunity for Hunter deep in the fine print of some supporting document, something she apparently wasn't supposed to find.
Got a link that substantiates your claim (that the immunity was "deep in the fine print")? And why would Hunter Biden agree to this plea agreement if prosecutors could keep digging into his life forever? What's the upside for him? Staying out of prison? Nobody goes to prison after repaying their back taxes or for that sort of gun license charge.
bighairymike: Hunters attorney's thought they had agreed to broad immunity but the prosecutors couldn't defend that to judge, so it was out.
No. The judge said both parties had to agree to the terms of the "contract" and since they did not, they needed to go back and work out a mutually acceptable agreement. She said she couldn't approve an agreement when the parties did not have a meeting of the minds.
bighairymike: Hunter would not agree to the plea agreement without it meeting his understanding of granting broader immunity, so they [sic] parties were at an impasse and Hunter rather than pleading guilty under plea agreement entered a plea of not guilty.
Again, not quite. Hunter entered a "not guilty" plea so the parties could go back and do what the judge asked them to do: work out a mutually acceptable agreement.
More importantly (or equally importantly), the judge objected to a provision in the agreement on the gun charge that she said would have created a role for her where she would determine if Hunter Biden violated the terms of the plea agreement. She said, "ain't my job".
If nothing else, discovery's gonna' be lit if this case ever gets to indictments.
No. of Recommendations: 2
No - I remember this one too. The judge discovered a broad grant (crimes still under investigation, crimes not yet discovered, that sort of thing) of immunity for Hunter deep in the fine print of some supporting document, something she apparently wasn't supposed to find. When she questioned the attorneys about support, ie precedent, for such a broad grant, they couldn't cite any. Hunters attorney's thought they had agreed to broad immunity but the prosecutors couldn't defend that to judge, so it was out. Hunter would not agree to the plea agreement without it meeting his understanding of granting broader immunity, so they parties were at an impasse and Hunter rather than pleading guilty under plea agreement entered a plea of not guilty.
That's the difference between our sources, eh? Hunter's attorney's did think he was getting that, but the interpretation I read was she seemed to think the prosecutors couldn't grant that, and that Hunter would agree to something that couldn't be done. But somehow the fact that the crew investigating HB had screwed up came out ( don't remember how this came up), and Me no like that part. Don't like it also because I could not figure out at the time how investigators could screw up in the 6th amendment area, and I assume something in the case is tainted and lost, but had and still have no idea - unless somehow he was denied counsel. But I scratch my head over that. Where is Albaby? :) I'll post a Mueller She Wrote summary on Weiss.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Well, I defer to commonone on that. :)
Mueller, She Wrote @MuellerSheWrote
I'm glad Garland had made Weiss special counsel. Here's why: if he weren't special counsel, he would NOT be required to provide DECLINATION decisions. For example, if he investigated Hunter for money laundering or bribery and chose not to prosecute, he will now have to tell us 1/
Also, House Republicans have said that Weiss wanted to be special counsel, but Weiss said that wasn't true. Now we know it wasn't until JUST NOW that Weiss actually asked to be special counsel, and that Garland granted it. 2/
And now, republicans will have no basis to argue that Garland or POTUS is influencing this probe because Garland will be required to report to congress if he curtails the probe or denies Weiss indictments of Hunter. 3/
Finally, if there are any crimes that were committed, and he has evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to obtain and maintain a conviction on appeal, Hunter should be prosecuted. I think every dem would agree with that. 4/
This move also blocks congress from getting documents, evidence, or testimony related to an ongoing investigation - though that was also true when Weiss was not special counsel. END/
No. of Recommendations: 2
Lapsody: Don't like it also because I could not figure out at the time how investigators could screw up in the 6th amendment area, and I assume something in the case is tainted and lost...
Evidently, Gary Shapely refused to turn over his email in discovery. And there's some question as to whether his WhatsApp warrant is tainted.
As far as the Sixth Amendment is concerned, could there be some communications within the DOJ doubting that an impartial jury could be seated (after the president of the United States spent years stating Hunter Biden is guilty and belongs in prison) and that's one of the reasons they cut the plea deal in the first place?
Like I wrote, discovery's gonna' be fun.
No. of Recommendations: 0
commonone: Like I wrote, discovery's gonna' be fun.
Yep. I'm not sure how Shapely not providing emails falls under the 6th, but Trump hammering might do that. I'll just wait and see what happens. emptywheel is sometimes so cryptic I can't follow her. :)
There's just too much going on. Gotta simplify all this. :)
