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In December 2024, in the thread "Re: BRK: Why Not XOM?", BreckHutHigh asked the members: "What about the long road trips with kids?" This week it is put to everyone again. The button below opens the small thread re-asking it - read what others have said so far, then give your own answer as an ordinary reply.
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Author: commonone   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Trump vs Clinton
Date: 06/05/23 3:58 PM
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bighairymike: ... that poor sailor who was crushed for innocently taking a picture in his submarine.

Right. Kristian Saucier innocently took photos of the nuclear reactor compartment, the auxiliary steam propulsion panel and the maneuvering compartment.

Saucier then innocently destroyed key evidence including his laptop computer, a camera and a memory card after an interview with the FBI in 2012.

What could be more innocent than that?

bighairymike: It is that Clinton simply thumbed her nose at the rules (with NO consequences)

Well, that's your opinion but there are no facts to back-up your opinion. She used the same system when she was a New York senator and when she ran for president in 2008 for convenience, she said, "to avoid carrying multiple devices" ' for personal and official business.

And by "rules," I think you mean "policies".

bighairymike: If I got a subpoena to preserve all the files on my laptop and then deleted half them before giving it to law enforcement, I would expect to be prosecuted for non-compliance.

She didn't do that.

First, state department policy allowed her (or anyone) to delete personal emails. She instructed her attorneys to review all of her emails and separate messages into "personal" and "work-related". They did so by key word search finding 30,490 work-related emails and 31,830 private emails.

According to the FBI, a Clinton lawyer told Platte River Networks (PRN) ' which was maintaining Clinton's private server ' that the former secretary no longer needed any emails that were more than 60 days old, and instructed the company discard them. The PRN employee told the FBI that "sometime between March 25-31, 2015" he realized he did not make the change requested by Clinton's office and he deleted her old emails at that time.

So Platte River Networks deleted those emails, not Clinton. The company just screwed-up what it had been instructed to do.

bighairymike: In a significant case, if I filed a contrived document I knew to be false with the court, I should and would be prosecuted.

Again, that never happened.

bighairymike: And how about that cadre of Mueller lawyers who deleted all the data on their government issued Blackberries at the end of the investigation in violation of the 'law' or is it 'rules'.

Well, I guess you follow Judicial Watch... but that's another myth.

The DOJ's Office of the Inspector General (OIG) investigation of the underlying conduct of the FBI and Mueller investigators found that there was no improper conduct.

bighairymike: Michael Flynn lying to the FBI, string him up, Bill Casey under oath, lying to Congress, crickets.

Reagan's Casey? Well, he had the decency to die from a brain tumor five months after giving that testimony, so, umm, karma?

Why anyone still supports Flynn is one of life's mysteries. But hey, if you love the guy then become a founding member of his "4thePURE" for $2,500 and you can connect with blood donors, sperm donors, breastmilk donors, surrogates, and unvaccinated singles... folks not tainted by the COVID-19 vaccine.

bighairymike: These laws that congress writes that define illegal behavior ...

Yeah, mostly you're referring to policies, not laws. And you don't get indicted for violating policies.

theguardian.com - US navy sailor jailed for taking photos of classified areas of nuclear submarine

forbes.com - The one thing robert muellers phones and hillary clintons emails have in common

factcheck.org - A guide to clintons emails
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