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Author: commonone 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Consumer Sentiment Plunged 11%...
Date: 04/11/2025 12:33 PM
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...this month to 50.8 in the University of Michigan's latest survey released today, the second-lowest reading on records going back to 1952. April’s reading was lower than anything seen during the Great Recession.

President Donald Trump’s volatile trade war, which threatens higher inflation, has significantly weighed on Americans’ moods these past few months. That malaise worsened leading up to Trump’s announcement last week of sweeping tariffs, according to the survey.

“This decline was, like the last month’s, pervasive and unanimous across age, income, education, geographic region and political affiliation,” Joanne Hsu, the survey’s director, said in a release.


Consumer sentiment has now lost more than 30% since December.

Mad King Donald's crazy was on full display throughout the presidential campaign and American voters said, "I wanna' get me some of that."


https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/11/economy/us-consumer...
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Author: AlphaWolf   😊 😞
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Date: 04/11/2025 12:48 PM
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Consumer sentiment has now lost more than 30% since December.

This makes no sense.

After all, the price of eggs is down.
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Author: wzambon 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Date: 04/11/2025 1:26 PM
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Actually, eggs are up again.

After dropping when Trump bought up tons of eggs from Turkey, and other “shithole” countries then flooded the market with foreign laid eggs, the price of eggs is actually climbing again.

Do you trust those foreign laid eggs to have been tested by USDA upon port entry? I sure don’t. I don’t even trust good ole red, white and blue eggs after Brother Elan has taken his scythe to government agencies- especially agencies run by Brother RFKJr.

For all I know, Brother Robert is simply washing those eggs in a Vitamin A infused solution and calling it good.


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Author: weatherman   😊 😞
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Date: 04/11/2025 1:54 PM
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because of the jan-march pull-fwd of inventory to get ahead of tariff reversal of the week, it seems reasonable that

- consumers will face REAL pain eventually, and MAGA will scale excuses in tandem
(e.g., regardless of prices, sea shipping has a near record ~30% cancel rate. supply&demand basics will work magic in the golden age of grift.)

- we are not done with reversals


3d chess...where one toddler keeps eating the pieces.
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Author: onepoorguy 🐝  😊 😞
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Date: 04/11/2025 2:00 PM
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How about "democracy sentiment"?

The Felon continues to defy court orders, basically saying what Andrew Jackson was alleged to have said: let's seem them enforce it.

Another change I might make to the Constitution is to give the Judicial the power to enforce orders, even if that involves arresting the POTUS until he complies with said orders. We are living the reality of an Executive that is above the law.
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Author: ptheland   😊 😞
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Date: 04/11/2025 3:02 PM
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Another change I might make to the Constitution ...

If we survive this period, I expect several amendments to be proposed and a few of those to actually become enacted.

--Peter
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Author: g0177325   😊 😞
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Date: 04/11/2025 3:06 PM
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If we survive this period, I expect several amendments to be proposed and a few of those to actually become enacted.

Such as? Constitutional amendments are darned difficult to get passed.
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Author: onepoorguy 🐝  😊 😞
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Date: 04/11/2025 3:31 PM
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If we survive this period, I expect several amendments to be proposed and a few of those to actually become enacted.

I suspect the Constitution will never be amended again. Not unless it is such a slam-dunk-obvious thing. It is difficult to amend for a reason, and getting the requisite number of states to ratify is almost impossible. You could probably get the ERA passed today (arguably, it already passed, but it hasn't been incorporated in the Constitution because of questions about expiration dates of the original proposal).

I was speaking more from a "emperor of the universe" stance. If I could change the Constitution, there would be a few things I would change. Not too much, really. But a few things. One would be to remove the presidential pardon. Another would be to give the Judiciary the power to hold the Executive in contempt, and confine POTUS until he/she complies with the orders. Congress can already remove POTUS, so that is in place. We're supposed to have three co-equal branches with roughly equal power, but the Judiciary has no teeth at all. I would fix that if I had the power.
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Author: EchotaBaaa   😊 😞
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Date: 04/11/2025 3:56 PM
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AND you lost to this - twice.

Imagine that.

And enjoy.

:)
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Author: Lambo   😊 😞
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Date: 04/11/2025 5:15 PM
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AND you lost to this - twice.

Imagine that.

And enjoy.


You voted for this. How come you don't flip houses anymore? Fellow next door to me picked up the house for 10K. I asked him, and he thinks the insurance company totaled it, and the cost of tearing it down, plus the 10k was enough to deter buyers. He saw smoke damage and is fixing it, and he's pretty handy. So why did you vote for this? He told you he was going to do this.
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Author: ptheland   😊 😞
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Date: 04/11/2025 5:46 PM
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Such as?

Pretty much anything that Trump is running roughshod over.

Codifying and clarifying Presidential criminal (and maybe civil) immunity
Giving some teeth to the Judiciary
Limits on impoundment
Pulling independent agencies (USAID, Natl Institute for the Arts, etc.) further away from Presidential control
Tighter Congressional control over declarations of war and emergencies
Resubmitting the ERA

I'm sure there are more ideas.

Constitutional amendments are darned difficult to get passed.

Yes, they are. But national crises seem to be a uniting force to get amendments passed. Civil war bore 3 or 4 amendments. The robber barons of the late 19th and early 20th centuries brought a couple, as did the Great Depression. Civil rights era gave us a couple.

Of course, this will only happen if the GOP figures out what they have unleashed on the country, or if a new conservative party arises to replace the GOP. If neither of those happen, no amendments. And possibly the major re-creation of the USA into something post-constitutional, up to and including a dictatorship.

--Peter
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Author: EchotaBaaa   😊 😞
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Date: 04/11/2025 5:54 PM
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Of course, this will only happen if the GOP figures out what they have unleashed on the country, or if a new conservative party arises to replace the GOP. If neither of those happen, no amendments. And possibly the major re-creation of the USA into something post-constitutional, up to and including a dictatorship.

--Peter
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Which would take less tribes.

And - some in the tribes willing to crossover.

Good luck.

Too many castes and tribes now.
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Author: g0177325   😊 😞
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Of course, this will only happen if the GOP figures out what they have unleashed on the country, or if a new conservative party arises to replace the GOP. If neither of those happen, no amendments.

And there's the rub.
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Author: albaby1 🐝 HONORARY
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Date: 04/11/2025 6:08 PM
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Yes, they are. But national crises seem to be a uniting force to get amendments passed. Civil war bore 3 or 4 amendments. The robber barons of the late 19th and early 20th centuries brought a couple, as did the Great Depression. Civil rights era gave us a couple.

I don't think that's really accurate. All the modern Amendments have dealt with largely procedural issues, rather than any significant matters upon which there were substantive political disagreements at the time. There hasn't really been a "substantive" Amendment to the Constitution since the repeal of Prohibition back in the 1930's - all of the other Amendments dealt with more procedural aspects of the government, such as the 22nd Amendment, giving DC the right to vote in Presidential elections, formalizing the SCOTUS ban on poll taxes, limiting congressional pay raises, etc. These weren't trivial changes, but neither were they especially consequential. They certainly didn't cross any major political fault lines or involve revisiting core principles of the government.

Arguably the last "Constitutional Moment" we had was the series of Amendments that arose from the Progressive Movement of the early 20th Century - authorizing the income tax, direct election of Senators, and women's suffrage. Oh, and Prohibition to begin with. But that was a century ago.

When thinking of Constitutional Amendments in the modern era, it would have to be on a subject that both Republicans and Democrats agree on. Hard to think of anything that meets the bill....
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Author: ptheland   😊 😞
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Date: 04/11/2025 6:31 PM
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Hard to think of anything that meets the bill....

Right now, yes.

Peter the optimist thinks that the Trump administration could push left and right together enough to get them to agree on a few things. Far from certain, of course. But I give it a 50/50 shot.

Odds improve if there is enough reaction to Trump to elect someone very progressive to the White House in 2028. Someone who not only starts undoing things Trump has done but using the same tactics to swing things way to the left. Especially if it's a woman.

--Peter

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