Halls of Shrewd'm / US Policy❤
No. of Recommendations: 1
Chinese Nationals Arrested at the Border
FY 2021…. 342
FY 2022… 1,987
FY 2023… 24,125
FY 2024… 36,912 (So Far)
Mayorkas (Yesterday): “…for the first time I have engagement with my counterpart from the Peoples Republic of China to ensure that China would begin to accept removal flights and we actually did effect one flight recently, the first time in a number of years.”
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If you have seen videos of these groups of Chinese, you should note they never are captured having just crossed the river. They are mostly young men 20 to 40. There are some women, but I haven’t noticed any families but there must have been a few.
The Chinese immigrants must purchase the gold package from the cartels because they use land routes and are driven to within a short walk to the border. They arrive looking clean and hydrated, nice new looking clothing and shoes, and well fed.
Getting back to numbers, how many Chinese will fit in one plane, even a C-130, let’s say it is 500. The number arrested is in excess of 60,000. The remaining 55,000 must have satisfied Border Patrols vigorous and reliable vetting process and were released into the country.
I wonder what those 55,000 mostly young Chinese men are up to. They appear to have been among the affluent back in China, and are not here to pick vegetables. Maybe we can ask them when they show up for their court date.
No. of Recommendations: 3
I wonder what those 55,000 mostly young Chinese men are up to. They appear to have been among the affluent back in China, and are not here to pick vegetables. Maybe we can ask them when they show up for their court date.These military age Chinese illegals are
“Chinese Gate-Crashers at U.S. Bases Spark Espionage Concerns
Washington has tracked about 100 incidents involving Chinese nationals trying to access American military and other installations.
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/chi...Hmmm..forming their own little army here on US soil?
No. of Recommendations: 12
bighairymike: Maybe we can ask them when they show up for their court date.
Well, Trump told Moses Johnson to kill the most sweeping immigration bill of the twenty-first century, so here we are.
It would have overhauled the process for seeking asylum in the United States — and imposed an “emergency authority” that would leave asylum fully out of reach for those crossing between ports of entry — like the Chinese crossers you cite — for much of the next three years. It would have addressed issues like work permits and years-long waits for asylum seekers, and also raised the initial standard a person must pass in order to access our asylum system.
You know, exactly what you're asking for here.
So, Trump. Trump killed it. He's to blame.
Vote in a democratic Congress and re-elect president Biden and you'll get real progress on immigration as well as other issues.
Unlike in the Republican-led House which just had its 7th lost rule vote this Congress:
Recent Speakers and The Lost Rule Votes:
Gingrich: 6 votes in 4 years
Hastert: 2 votes in 8 years
Pelosi: ZERO
Boehner: ZERO
Ryan: ZERO
Pelosi, second term: ZERO
McCarthy: 3 votes in 8 months
Johnson: 4 votes in 6 months
Vote in democrats for a functioning government.
No. of Recommendations: 0
Racist Canadians are all mad in some places about immigrants driving up the price of homes.
Send them to Canada.
Or give them a few of America's inner cities. Sure they might be here to subvert you people - BUT LET'S FACE IT, within a generation those cities would have lower levels of births out of wedlock, many expensive hair style shops would be gone, the collective credit rating of citizens and nuclear family rates would be higher, as would be net worth.
Crime would - be lower.
Naaaah send them to Canada.
America? 1,000,000 high tech visas - now.
See how Club 401KKK likes that. You find out who they really are:)
No. of Recommendations: 4
As the other poster said, we had a chance to improve things. Reps let it go because Trump said so.
I will point out you're conflating the two motivations, however. Back when I was young, illegal immigration was mostly people sneaking across the border to find work in the agriculture sector. The farmers didn't mind because they could pay them a lot less, and the "illegals" couldn't really complain without being deported. Today, that is not the prime motivator. As you know, they are -under present law- legally seeking asylum. Without looking up the numbers, I think most of them are not Mexican, either. Central and South Americans, and Chinese, are much more dominant. Also, last I knew, there were a lot of Russians and Ukrainians fleeing the war over there (though that may have petered-out...there was a surge in the months after the initial invasion).
So, no. They are not here to pick vegetables. They are likely fleeing an autocratic regime. Affluency is no guarantee of not being shot in an autocratic regime. You just have to p-o the leader, and you can be disappeared. Is there something more to it? Maybe. It would be nice if we had a law that approved additional resources to processing these folks, and gave BP the ability to clamp-down if the flow gets excessive...
No. of Recommendations: 2
So, Trump. Trump killed it. He's to blame.Oh baloney. The Chinese have been illegally crossing into America long before Trump said anything.
OldJoe tells the world you all come we have no borders.
“In 2023, Chinese migrants become the largest group outside the Americas to cross the treacherous region to reach the US.”
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“Chinese migrants – unlike many of the other most common nationalities in the Darien, such as Venezuelans and Haitians – often take special “VIP” routes across the jungle that are led by guides working for the Gulf Clan, Colombia’s largest drug cartel, and are quicker and less strenuous for higher prices than the most basic routes.
Through a combination of boat journeys, hikes and, in some cases, horseback rides either along the Caribbean or Pacific coast, they are able to make the crossing in a couple of days rather than the weeklong trip that cheaper routes usually take.”
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/2/22/disill...
No. of Recommendations: 2
It would be nice if we had a law that approved additional resources to processing these folks, and gave BP the ability to clamp-down if the flow gets excessive... - 1pg
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It also would be nice to have a president that will actually exercise the power afforded to him by the law.
Analogy: Trumps says he would not sign a bill banning abortion. Your side say BS, he can't be trusted.
Biden says give me lots of new money and authority. The right says BS, he can't be trusted. He would add the intake capability and de-prioritize securing the GD border.
Also, as long as we are dreaming about the really nice; It would be nice if we could really vet people when they show up, regardless of how many people staff the welcome center.
No. of Recommendations: 4
It would be nice if we could really vet people when they show up, regardless of how many people staff the welcome center.
Well, you either have to provide more staff (which you think isn't an issue, apparently), or build detention centers to hold people until the staff can process them. Either requires money, though I would expect the former to require less.
No. of Recommendations: 10
Also, as long as we are dreaming about the really nice; It would be nice if we could really vet people when they show up, regardless of how many people staff the welcome center.
What do you think we should be doing differently?
These people come in, we conduct an interview and run all their identification against all the national and international databases that we have.
What else can be done without Congress allocating more resources? Without the facilities and personnel and funding to put more people in detention, you can't even delay the release of a greater proportion of these folks. You don't have anywhere to put them, or the resources to conduct any more thorough investigation. You don't want to allocate any more resources to the processing system, without which the folks who are released will be waiting for years and years for their hearing.
So what's your suggestion?
No. of Recommendations: 8
Oh baloney. The Chinese have been illegally crossing into America long before Trump said anything.
True - but as soon as the Congress started taking up a bill that could fix that problem, Trump stepped in to stop them from fixing it. Trump didn't cause unlawful Chinese border crossings - but he stopped Congress from trying to find a remedy for it.
Because China is an unfree society, with one-party rule combined with significant repression of human rights, there are a lot of people who can make a prima facie case that they suffer from political persecution within the meaning of the relevant laws governing asylum. Basically, China treats political dissidents pretty brutally - which means that if they make it here, they've got a good shot at passing an initial screening. If you don't want them to be released into the country after that happens, you need Congress to act...and since Trump basically told the GOP not to do anything on border security, there's not much that Biden or the Democrats can do to address the problem.
No. of Recommendations: 1
...and since Trump basically told the GOP not to do anything on border security, there's not much that Biden or the Democrats can do to address the problem.
Serious question. Let's suppose Biden wins (likely), we get a House majority (possible), and a 60 vote Senate (unlikely). What, if anything, do you think the Dems would do? Certainly not the compromise bill that was killed (that was mostly restrictions, and didn't even address DREAMERs). Despite the right-wing bubble, I don't believe they would open the border. Even among Dems, there isn't really support for that.
I'm thinking they would deal with DREAMERs, probably approve more funding for the immigration judiciary and BP, NOT approve funding for detention centers or a wall. Anything else?
No. of Recommendations: 3
These people come in, we conduct an interview and run all their identification against all the national and international databases that we have.
What else can be done without Congress allocating more resources? Without the facilities and personnel and funding to put more people in detention, you can't even delay the release of a greater proportion of these folks. You don't have anywhere to put them, or the resources to conduct any more thorough investigation. You don't want to allocate any more resources to the processing system, without which the folks who are released will be waiting for years and years for their hearing.
So what's your suggestion? - albaby
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Yeah, I have seen your make that statement before. No doubt that is the system that exists on paper. Now for reality, the volumes that must be processed in such a short time make any realistic in depth investigation possible.
And the big one is these people arrive at our border with no identification and could claim to be anybody. Yep, we check those databases, but how exactly does someone from a mud hut village in Somalia get into that database. And who to say, the person will be using that name anyway. I am not critical of the effort, BP is doing the best they can.
Massive new money, staff, and detention facilities plus a president willing to deploy them aggressively could address the volume problem.
But the other problem remains and when the applicant comes up not found in Data Bases, or comes from a country where records don't exist or corruption has rendered them useless or sporadically available, or a country where bribes are effective in purchasing official credentials. How cooperative do you think the ChiComs were in throwing open their criminal databases so we could vet those 55,000 that apparent were?
Those are significant limitations in our vetting capability. To tell ourselves, we are straining out the bad guys is just feel good, self denial that ignores a significant risk to our safety and security.
No. of Recommendations: 11
Massive new money, staff, and detention facilities plus a president willing to deploy them aggressively could address the volume problem.
But the other problem remains and when the applicant comes up not found in Data Bases, or comes from a country where records don't exist or corruption has rendered them useless or sporadically available, or a country where bribes are effective in purchasing official credentials. How cooperative do you think the ChiComs were in throwing open their criminal databases so we could vet those 55,000 that apparent were?
Exactly. Since Congress has been blocked from providing the new money, staff, or detention facilities, it's beside the point whether the President (either Biden or Trump) would deploy them aggressively or not. And since Congress has been blocked from providing those things, we can't indefinitely detain the Chinese immigrants (or really very many at all) purely as a precautionary or prophylactic measure.
I mean, the gating step isn't some enormous secret. In order to solve any of these problems, Congress needs to act. Congress will not act if the GOP is being told by Trump not to act. And since Trump is telling them not to act, there's not much that can or will be done.
BTW, it's not like we don't have experience vetting dissidents that defected from our geopolitical enemies - this was kind of routine in the Cold War. You don't check them out by asking the country they defected from (the USSR back then) to provide background info. And honestly, why bother focusing on some 30-40K Chinese folks entering the U.S. over the border, when some 400,000 will enter the U.S. from China just through ordinary tourist travel every year? If China wanted to put personnel in the US, it's far simpler to just give them fake documents and send them on a flight to LA....
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Mayorkas (Yesterday): “…for the first time I have engagement with my counterpart from the Peoples Republic of China to ensure that China would begin to accept removal flights and we actually did effect one flight recently, the first time in a number of years.”
These are removals from the USA to China, not from China to the USA.
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Mayorkas (Yesterday): “…for the first time I have engagement with my counterpart from the Peoples Republic of China to ensure that China would begin to accept removal flights and we actually did effect one flight recently, the first time in a number of years.”
These are removals from the USA to China, not from China to the USA. - Lapsody
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Yes, One removal flight from USA to China is what Mayorkas is saying, so I am not sure what your point is???
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Yes, One removal flight from USA to China is what Mayorkas is saying, so I am not sure what your point is???
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Simple - clarification. I questioned what that was when I read it, since everything before it is about Chinese coming here.
No. of Recommendations: 1
It would be nice if we could really vet people when they show up, regardless of how many people staff the welcome center.
Frankly Mike, I'm surprised we do as well as we do. But we do. In spite of all the fear mongering, we seem to fare well, and yes, I'm aware of what crosses the border.
