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Author: ptheland   😊 😞
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Subject: For the woke libtards here
Date: 07/29/2024 7:24 PM
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I stumbled across this guy who seems to have a pretty good handle on what is going on with Trump and his followers. Rather than try to explain it, I'll let him explain it in his own words.

Here's the first video in his series. I'll let you do the work of finding the rest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1bk7GToBdM


He gets a bit frustratingly slow in the development of some of his points. While I recommend sticking with him through all of the videos in the series, you'll get the main points by watching this first one and then part 6. Part 1 talks about what is going on in the cult, and part 6 gives some ideas on how to talk to a Trumpist.

If you dig through his channel, you can find a couple of "older" (about 2 - 3 months old) videos on Trump and his followers.

The key takeaways are that this behavior is nothing new. It's been used time and time again, from the Crusades (and even earlier) through Hitler and Mussolini. It's the same pattern over and over, just with a different label on the cover. It is as simple as people protecting themselves from facing the truth about their condition as humans by setting themselves up as a hero and putting down anyone who doesn't agree with them.

I'm not sure what this information tells us about where things are going, but it certainly helps my own mental health by understanding what the heck is going on around me. This understanding will keep me from expending too much mental energy in places where it will do absolutely no good, and instead spend that energy in more productive ways.

--Peter

Pro tip - Set YouTube to play at 125% speed to keep things moving along. Most people can understand much faster than other can talk clearly. I've tried 150%, but find it going a bit too fast. Then again, I'm old and decrepit. Barely fit enough to drool on the keyboard.
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Author: WatchingTheHerd HONORARY
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Subject: Re: For the woke libtards here
Date: 07/29/2024 11:05 PM
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I watched part 1 all the way through (at 1.5x speed).

I agree with the gist of what he said but in the interest of tying it too directly to the present problem, I think he encased many of the concepts too deeply in our current vocabulary. This might tend to turn off people who might be on the "fence" of certainty about their beliefs in current autocratic trends versus having a critical mass of ambivalence that might let them think their way away from the danger zone.

More generally...

His point is that humans devote a significant portion of their mental energy every day worried about being caught too far away from the collective safety of the crowd. Any communication that makes us feel excluded creates a feeling of threat which we then devote even more energy to subdue. One way to do this is to engage in behaviors or communication that makes us feel part of a larger group. Another way is to attempt to find confirmation that we are not only part of a group, but exhibit traits that provide us an elevated position in that group. Most people want to feel part of a group but few are comfortable feeling like they're at the BOTTOM of that group. Being at the bottom is a vulnerable position.

In his description, people in current politics who seem to have fallen into the MAGA sphere are doing so because its vocabulary and communication tactics assign any positive attribute adherents wish to believe to themselves while attaching any negative attributes against anyone who might criticize them. This is dangerous because people internalize labels and ideas they think are "good" and by internalizing them, those labels and ideas cease being subjected to logical criticism, even in the face of changing information. Any labels and ideas they think are "bad" are externalized and attached to those they fear. That externalization similarly prevents them from ever re-evaluating those labels and ideas in the face of changing information.

Psychologically, this tactic is the equivalent of crack cocaine because it feeds a "high" resulting from believing the best about yourself and cuts off any alternative inputs that might provide a more balanced view. If you think about it, this suggests why most such movements end in cycles of fanaticism that demand ever-higher levels of "purity" of adherence to the original principal... We've seen this play out in politics for nearly one hundred years. "Free markets..." Deregulation. Tax cuts to boost the economy. If applying the formula doesn't work, you didn't apply it enough. Add more.

This dynamic stemming from fear of ostracization is literally a function of our DNA, unique language capabilities of our brain and the unique human ability to understand the passage of time and the existence of death. This combination motivates humans to focus much more effort on how we communicate to manipulate those around us for our selfish benefit. Over millions of years, it has provided an ability to create and follow plans over an extended period of time -- not just minutes or hours like animals hunting in packs but days, weeks, months, years.

Over time, as public figures gain traction using these strategies, it isn't always the case that those gaining power consciously and intellectually understand this dynamic and constantly adjust their communication strategy to introduce the dynamic and encourage it. They can't explain WHAT they are doing scientifically or explain WHY it works on the crowd, it just does, they THINK they have figured out how to benefit from it, so they continue leveraging it. The foundation for this dynamic to take root is ALWAYS present. There are ALWAYS individuals out there lacking other faculties for describing current problems and proposing solutions actually capable of solving problems. When those individuals begin communicating out of fear and frustration, they tap into this tendency and the dynamic will again spiral up from its normal background state.

In any given cycle in history, the heights to which this always-present tendancy will grow is dependent upon the education level of the general population and the extent of economic strife and injustice present. Attempt to use thse strategies when your econmy has 4% unemployment, parents can afford college, kids attend school without a thought of a mass shooting and the CEO/peon wage multiple averages only 30-50x is like planting grass on your driveway. Nothing takes root.

Over the past forty years, America has done a horrible job educating its citizens about the core functional desgn of our government and its checks and balances. By convincing Americans that government is inept and corrupt while continuing to corrupt our political processes with corporate money, our government has become subservient to billionaires and billion-dollar corporations who have lobbied for laws which have produced extreme wealth inequity that has prevented the government from properly funding education, health services and social, civil and environmental protections to combat the widening wealth inequity.

In all examples in history, this cycle of political psychosis has NEVER actually cured any problem(s) it claimed to address. Instead, this cycle only makes the problem(s) worse by deferring recognition and work on the underlying problem(s). Inevitably, what "cures" the problem is one of two things, neither good:

1) A calamity arising from the paralysis preventing meaningful action that essentially destroys the power structures of government that became paralyzed by the fear cycle, resulting in a Ctrl-Alt-Del that allows different solutions to be pursued. Of course, that reboot may upend many other aspects of government and society in ways that are impossible to predict and not always pleasant.

2) A calamity that strikes those most trapped in the fear loop and provides them a "teachable moment" that upends their economic and social situation so completely they are forced to recognize reality and replace time and energy spent lying to themselves within their doom loop with actual work required for basic survival.

Of course the real tragedy with either of those outcomes is that they are not limited in their impact to those whose thinking led to the calamity. The calamity effects everyone.

If people aren't willing to watch a series of YouTube videos on abstract psychological concepts, maybe they could read some Rush lyrics that spell out the dynamic more concisely than most psychological, social or economic textbooks ever could.

https://www.rush.com/songs/a-farewell-to-kings/



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Author: ptheland   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: For the woke libtards here
Date: 07/29/2024 11:49 PM
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I watched part 1 all the way through (at 1.5x speed).

Well done! Like I said, I'm old and decrepit, so can only make it at 1.25x speed. ;-)

And also a very nice summary of the video. If I may toss in one comment -

2) A calamity that strikes those most trapped in the fear loop and provides them a "teachable moment" that upends their economic and social situation so completely they are forced to recognize reality and replace time and energy spent lying to themselves within their doom loop with actual work required for basic survival.

Of course the real tragedy with either of those outcomes is that they are not limited in their impact to those whose thinking led to the calamity. The calamity effects everyone.


In our instant case today, I think it's possible for this second kind of calamity to be one that affects less than everyone. At least affects others on a smaller scale. For example, being convicted of a crime - perhaps trespassing would be a good example - becomes a personal calamity more than a societal calamity. But the effects will be felt by more than just the convicted person. It will affect their family, friends, co-workers. And that calamity can be sufficient to provide the needed teachable moment to get them out of the feedback loop in which they have been trapped. A few weeks in prison will do that to many people. Not all, of course, but many.

The downside is that such personal level calamities are not sufficient to break the fear loop on a societal level. Those who do not suffer the calamity can simply console themselves by deciding those who are caught in the calamity were imposters to the cause and/or not sufficiently strong and therefore not deserving of being saved. They simply move from "inside" to "outside" in the thinking of those remaining true to the cause.

I could name names - as I'm sure you could as well. But that's something you're trying to avoid at the moment, so I will refrain. Thinking about those names provides examples of people who have successfully made it out of the fear loop and re-engaged in a more rational view of the world.

The question we will still have to wait and see is how big a calamity it will take to get out of this current round of wide-spread fear loop thinking. Can we get there with enough of my "individual" scale calamities? Or will it really take a societal scale calamity?

--Peter
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