Halls of Shrewd'm / US Policy❤
No. of Recommendations: 18
…a negotiation that does not include both belligerent sides in a conflict?
Answer- unconditional surrender
Trump is trying the same sort of thing with the Russia- Ukraine conflict that he did with the Middle east in 2020….and we saw how that worked out.
Ukraine has already said they will not be bound by any “peace deal” that excludes them from the negotiations.
This upcoming “deal” looks less like Chamberlain in 38 vis a vis Czechoslovakia in 38…. And more like Stalin-Ribbentrop dividing up Poland in 39.
We’ll be decades living down the shame of it.
No. of Recommendations: 2
How do you know they're not discussing incentives and disincentives for the Russians to go the bargaining table with Zelensky?
No. of Recommendations: 8
How do you know they're not discussing incentives and disincentives for the Russians to go the bargaining table with Zelensky?
How do you know any of that is going on?
Ukraine is excluded from the talks. So, by the way, is Europe. That’s the starting position. And it’s pretty poor.
Plus- Vance and Hegseth already gave away most of the US bargaining chips in Munich.
I’m sure Trump will announce a “deal” and proclaim himself the wizard of peace, because that’s how he rolls. But there will be no peace if Ukraine and Europe are excluded from the negotiations- just Trump and Putin dividing up Ukraine.
Thank God that whatever they “decide” will last about as long as it takes Zelensky to tell all of us to go to hell, and that he and Europe will go it alone.
No. of Recommendations: 3
How do you know any of that is going on?
Logic. As in, "Hey, Vlad - this has gone on long enough, dontcha think?" Way more than the rank supposition that went into the OP.
Plus- Vance and Hegseth already gave away most of the US bargaining chips in Munich.
ROTLMAO.
There's zero universe with Ukraine as a NATO member in it. For starters, what for?
There's even less of a possibility of a universe with US peacekeeping troops in the Ukraine. What, did you want to volunteer us for that?
No. of Recommendations: 8
"…a negotiation that does not include both belligerent sides in a conflict?
Answer- unconditional surrender
Trump is trying the same sort of thing with the Russia- Ukraine conflict that he did with the Middle east in 2020….and we saw how that worked out.
Ukraine has already said they will not be bound by any “peace deal” that excludes them from the negotiations.
This upcoming “deal” looks less like Chamberlain in 38 vis a vis Czechoslovakia in 38…. And more like Stalin-Ribbentrop dividing up Poland in 39.
We’ll be decades living down the shame of it." - Bill
It will be worse than even that. In Munich Hegseth and Vance pretty much laid out the Russian position as their opening bid!!!! It is definitely unconditional surrender. It is way weaker than Trump's poor Middle East Deal and his Afghan Deal. Both of those were only negotiated with one side and it showed when they failed as soon as they were implemented. So Trump decides to triple down and only negotiate with Russia. In no world does that turn out well.
Yesterday I heard someone make a joke that given Trump's poor track record of negotiation, he will end up paying Russia money to rebuild the territory they stole as an aggressor. It was a joke.... I think.
No. of Recommendations: 4
How do you know they're not discussing incentives and disincentives for the Russians to go the bargaining table with Zelensky?
That is one of the more stupid things I've read recently, and also a non-sequitur.
First, how do you know they are discussing those things?
And, second, even if they were, it is irrelevant if Ukraine isn't there.
As an analogy, your neighbor builds a fence 2 meters over your property line. Would you accept it if me, and albaby, and bhm had meetings with your neighbor to discuss the issue, and you weren't invited? I think not. You'd -rightly- reject anything coming out of that meeting, except maybe the moving of the fence back to the actual property line (which the neighbor has already said he won't do).
No. of Recommendations: 5
in a not-so-alternate universe, i envision trump saying something along the lines of
"the russia-ukraine battle is not america first business, and they need to fight it out or resolve it themselves."
[que GOP applauding the peace prize candidate]
there is an absolute simple explanation why the above didnt happen : trump is putin's kompramat stooge.
it is beyond MAGA abilities to do anything other than parrot rightwing media's daily take.
