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Author: hclasvegas   😊 😞
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Subject: Do the usual suspects respect the NYTs ?
Date: 02/12/2024 9:53 AM
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13071135/...
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Author: albaby1 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Do the usual suspects respect the NYTs ?
Date: 02/12/2024 9:59 AM
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It's not about "respecting" a news source.

Two things are true:

1) Biden's age is a negative factor in his efforts to get re-elected; and

2) No one within the Democratic party has the power to "force" Biden out of the race if he wants to continue running.

Democrats are aware that his age is an electoral liability. They are not ignorant of that fact, nor in denial about it. It's just not actionable information. They can't do anything with it. Since no credible candidates challenged Biden for the nomination, Biden is going to win the nomination if he continues running for it.
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Author: hclasvegas   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Do the usual suspects respect the NYTs ?
Date: 02/12/2024 10:03 AM
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" 1) Biden's age is a negative factor in his efforts to get re-elected; and" His age has nothing to do with it. You can be a healthy, alert, fully engaged 81 year old, see Buffett and Munger, unfortunately Joe isn't, the end.
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Author: albaby1 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Do the usual suspects respect the NYTs ?
Date: 02/12/2024 10:19 AM
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His age has nothing to do with it. You can be a healthy, alert, fully engaged 81 year old, see Buffett and Munger, unfortunately Joe isn't, the end.

Vitality, perception of fitness, energy levels - whatever.

The point isn't whether that's a drag on his electability. It absolutely is. Where people have disagreed with you is the idea that this is going to lead "the Democrats" to bounce him from the ticket. That's just not going to happen, any more than it happened with DJT in 2016. There's no one in the Democratic party who gets to just decide that the nominee should be someone other than the one who has won a majority of the delegates. And since no material candidate chose to run against Biden, there's no possibility of him not getting a majority of the pledged delegates. So the idea that the Democratic party can displace Biden, against his will, is fanciful.
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Author: commonone 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Do the usual suspects respect the NYTs ?
Date: 02/12/2024 10:27 AM
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hclasvegas:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13071135...


A helpful primer:

NEWS: The republican presidential candidate said he would not only standby and do nothing but would encourage Russia to invade a European ally.

NOT THE NEWS: Opinion columns published by anyone, including the NY Times.
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Author: hclasvegas   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Do the usual suspects respect the NYTs ?
Date: 02/12/2024 10:31 AM
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" So the idea that the Democratic party can displace Biden, against his will, is fanciful." WHO ever said, " against his will"? You are making it up, JOE will, do the right thing, means, hand his delegates to a healthy vibrant alternative, watch. Park time, have a grand day.
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Author: hclasvegas   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Do the usual suspects respect the NYTs ?
Date: 02/12/2024 10:34 AM
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" NEWS: The republican presidential candidate said he would not only standby and do nothing but would encourage Russia to invade a European ally." good morning common, are you ok ? In English, again, neither trump nor Biden should be their parties nominee, comprende amigo? Tuff crowd, later.
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Do the usual suspects respect the NYTs ?
Date: 02/12/2024 10:37 AM
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1) Biden's age is a negative factor in his efforts to get re-elected; and" His age has nothing to do with it. You can be a healthy, alert, fully engaged 81 year old, see Buffett and Munger, unfortunately Joe isn't, the end. - hcl

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Munger is not as alert and engaged as he once was.
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Author: hclasvegas   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Do the usual suspects respect the NYTs ?
Date: 02/12/2024 10:45 AM
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" Munger is not as alert and engaged as he once was." I agree, he's dead. What a crew here.
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Author: albaby1 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Do the usual suspects respect the NYTs ?
Date: 02/12/2024 10:45 AM
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WHO ever said, " against his will"? You are making it up, JOE will, do the right thing, means, hand his delegates to a healthy vibrant alternative, watch.

If he were going to do that, he would have done it already. Now it is too late. Biden doesn't have the power to "hand his delegates" to anyone - all he can do is drop out. He doesn't get to run for President, win a bunch of delegates, and then handpick a nominee in his stead.

Right now, there are three options for the Democratic nominee. Biden, Harris, or a bloody convention fight that results in someone with vastly higher negatives than either of those two. Of those three options, Biden is the best choice for Democrats. Which is one of the main reasons why Biden won't drop out.
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Subject: Re: Do the usual suspects respect the NYTs ?
Date: 02/12/2024 12:21 PM
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Which is one of the main reasons why Biden won't drop out.

And the best chance Biden has is if Trump is the GOP nominee. And if that happens, I think Biden will beat him again.
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Subject: Re: Do the usual suspects respect the NYTs ?
Date: 02/12/2024 11:14 PM
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"" 1) Biden's age is a negative factor in his efforts to get re-elected; and" His age has nothing to do with it. You can be a healthy, alert, fully engaged 81 year old, see Buffett and Munger, unfortunately Joe isn't, the end."

True, you can also be a mid-70s age person who regularly gets taken advantage of.
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Author: Umm 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Do the usual suspects respect the NYTs ?
Date: 02/12/2024 11:17 PM
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"" So the idea that the Democratic party can displace Biden, against his will, is fanciful." WHO ever said, " against his will"? You are making it up, JOE will, do the right thing, means, hand his delegates to a healthy vibrant alternative, watch. Park time, have a grand day."

You are getting taken advantage of again. Your information sources are taking advantage of the fact that you are ignorant of how electoral delegates work. Biden cannot hand his delegates to anyone. It literally doesn't work that way.

Why do you keep using information sources that regularly make you look so foolish and get laughed at?
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Author: BrerBear   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Do the usual suspects respect the NYTs ?
Date: 02/13/2024 1:27 PM
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<<Umm
You are getting taken advantage of again. Your information sources are taking advantage of the fact that you are ignorant of how electoral delegates work. Biden cannot hand his delegates to anyone. It literally doesn't work that way.

Why do you keep using information sources that regularly make you look so foolish and get laughed at?>>

Ye gods, talk about getting laughed at...

Delegates are those yucks attending the DIMM convention.

Attending the electoral process are electors. They are NOT delegates. They are electors.

Candidates DO, when the occasion presents, sometimes direct their convention DELEGATES to another candidate.

Electors STAY with voting for who they were sent to elect. (Except for those occasions when an unfaithful air headed elector gets sent.)

Read more closely; your board reputation may be at stake.
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Author: commonone 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Do the usual suspects respect the NYTs ?
Date: 02/13/2024 3:55 PM
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BrerBear: Ye gods, talk about getting laughed at...

Delegates are those yucks attending the DIMM convention.

Attending the electoral process are electors. They are NOT delegates. They are electors.

Candidates DO, when the occasion presents, sometimes direct their convention DELEGATES to another candidate.


Nope. I think albaby1 already discussed this in another thread. Fifty or sixty years (or longer) ago, delegates were free to change their voting preference but those days are gone. The rules have changed.

In 2024, there are an estimated 3,933 pledged delegates and 739 automatic delegates — more commonly known as superdelegates. A pledged delegate is a delegate to a political party's presidential nominating convention that is "pledged" to support the candidate to whom they are allocated. Pledged delegates are sometimes referred to as "bound delegates," most commonly by the Republican Party. Pledged delegates are distinct from unpledged delegates, commonly referred to as "superdelegates", which are not pledged to any one particular presidential candidate.

In short, you're wrong.

https://ballotpedia.org/Democratic_delegate_rules,...
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Author: BrerBear   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Do the usual suspects respect the NYTs ?
Date: 02/14/2024 10:27 AM
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<<Nope. I think albaby1 already discussed this in another thread. Fifty or sixty years (or longer) ago, delegates were free to change their voting preference but those days are gone. The rules have changed.>>

Let us continue this discussion after Chicago, August 22, after the DIMM convention. If there is no (raucous???) exercise of musical chairs by the delegates attending, I will concede the point.

(Just a hunch here, but I suspect there will no need to concede.)
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Author: Umm 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Do the usual suspects respect the NYTs ?
Date: 02/16/2024 1:29 AM
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"Attending the electoral process are electors. They are NOT delegates. They are electors."

Ah yes, good catch I meant delegates. I had something longer written out about the electoral college and electors changing their votes, but it went too far into the weeds so I just shortened it and responded to the point about candidates giving their delegates away but I had the electors on the brain.

I used the wrong word, sorry for the confusion.

"Candidates DO, when the occasion presents, sometimes direct their convention DELEGATES to another candidate."

Interesting spin to try and use the word "direct" like it is an order. Your use of the word "direct" is as wrong as my use of the word elector.

If Biden has dropped out of the race he can't order, give or direct his delegates to do anything. He can ask or suggest they vote for a specific candidate, but that is all it is. A request. Now some of Biden's delegates will heed the request to vote for a specific candidate out of personal loyalty or because of a deal or stuff like that, but some won't. Furthermore, as a brokered convention goes on and on and more and more votes are taken, A delegate will become less loyal to the original candidate.

Basically, the delegates are not Biden's to give away (like the person I responded to suggested). Their votes are their own to do with what they want if the candidate they were pledged to is no longer in the race.

This is also assumes that a state has already chosen their delegates to the convention. Even if a state primary (or caucus) has already taken place, the actual delegates from that state might not yet have been chosen. The state party chooses the delegates that could get sent to the convention.

If Biden drops out, the delegates are not his to be given away and any suggestion that he could is simply ignorant and wrong.

"Read more closely; your board reputation may be at stake."

LOL, clowns gonna clown. My board reputation is a stake because I used the wrong word? LOL that is funny. Even more funny if you actually knew me and had any history with me. You would know that is something I do all of the time. Spelling, syntax, grammar, and typing do not come easy to me.

Also odd that you had a bigger problem with my misuse of a single word, but no problem with the completely false assertion of the person who I was responding to that Biden could give away his delegates.
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