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Author: Steve203 ⎊🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 77808 
Subject: Got oil?
Date: 12/03/25 9:41 AM
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Bush #43 "reformed" the fuel economy regs to enable the exclusion of smaller vehicles, and enable ever larger SUVs and trucks. Lord Trump is about to announce his refinements, apparently, with Big Three "JCs" looking on approvingly.

Trump administration to announce new fuel economy standards Wednesday, sources say

The Trump administration will propose rolling back the standards implemented by former President Joe Biden last year, sources told Reuters. Biden required passenger cars and light trucks to have a fuel efficiency of about 50 miles per gallon by 2031.

President Donald Trump is scheduled to make an announcement at 2:30 p.m. ET from the Oval Office. Executives from Ford
, General Motors and Stellantis are expected to attend the announcement.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/03/trump-fuel-economy...

Probably the next shoe is to declare it "unfair" for foreign companies like Honda and Toyota, to continue to make small, affordable, economical, cars, when the Big Three don't want to, and outlaws everything smaller than a 5000lb SUV.

Steve...long big oil
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Author: marco100   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Got oil?
Date: 12/03/25 10:19 AM
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There is no need for "fuel efficiency" standards at all.

These simply horribly distort the automobile market.

You can and perhaps should have pollution standards--but not separate "fuel efficiency" standards.
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Author: Steve203 ⎊🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Got oil?
Date: 12/03/25 10:31 AM
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You can and perhaps should have pollution standards--but not separate "fuel efficiency" standards.

The only group of regs with a constituency beyond "the common good", are the safety regs: insurance companies. The automakers were pleading with his nibs to back off safety regs too, but that is going to be a bigger ask, given the money the insurance industry can put up, for regs that reduce their claims expense, with others paying the compliance costs.

Steve

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Author: onepoorguy ⎊🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Got oil?
Date: 12/03/25 11:27 AM
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To be fair, 50MPG is a big ask. Most of the energy from gasoline (or diesel) just becomes waste heat. Maybe 30% of gasoline is actually used to make the vehicle go (and about 40% of diesel). That's up from when I was young, and an ICE would get maybe 15-20%. Without going hybrid, 50MPG may not be doable due to limitations of the ICE.

I agree that Big Oil is getting a hard-on. I also agree that insurance companies will push back hard on removing safety features, which will actually benefit us (for a change). We'll need to win the WH in 2028 to reimpose those standards (assuming there's enough government left to impose anything, of course).
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