Post New

Biden should give brief summary of the accomplishments of his term - infrastructure, economy, the border bill that didn't pass etc.
Then yield his time to his honorable opponent.

Let him have a national audience for whatever word salad he spews.

I know that's not a debate, but it could be winning strategy.

I wonder if Biden should work into his comments "...and I'm not a convicted felon".

But I tend to agree that Trump should be given enough rope to hang himself. Especially with his onset of dementia (disclaimer: not a doctor, but I have seen dementia up-close), he might tie several nooses for himself.

Biden's debate strategy is all about how much speed they can pump him full of.

And BTW, this is how the debate's going to go:

*Trump says something about Biden
*CNN says, "You can't lie here!!!" and cuts off his mic
*Biden proceeds to lie his rear end off
*CNN does not cut off his mic.

To pretend like they're being fair, Tapper and the houseplant known as Dana Bash will call out the smallest possible fib that Biden will tell but let the bulk of them go through. It's a foregone conclusion that the Biden camp will have all the questions in advance, also.

Biden has full blown dementia. He has lost all his cognitive functions. He can’t take 2 steps without a walker.

If Biden manages to make it to the podium without falling 3 times, speaks one coherent sentence, and keeps his pants on, he will win the debate.

Trump has his full cognitive abilities (person, woman, man, camera, tv), is the smartest person on the planet (just ask him), has the best memory of anyone (just ask his doctor, Ronny Johnson), and has HUGE hands.

All my money is on the adjudicated rapist and 34 count felon.

To pretend like they're being fair, Tapper and the houseplant known as Dana Bash will call out the smallest possible fib that Biden will tell but let the bulk of them go through. It's a foregone conclusion that the Biden camp will have all the questions in advance, also. - Dope

------------------

There is another debate strategy that CNN has pulled out in these situations...

March 17, 2017 7:32 pm. . Veteran Democratic operative Donna Brazile finally admitted that she used her former position as a CNN commentator to relay questions ahead of debates to Hillary Clinton......

You know it has come up. Would Tapper's impeccable non-biased journalistic reputation get in the way? To be fair and balanced Dana Bash should be replaced with Sean Hannity.

biden wasted some debate rules leverage.

he could have selected a no-nonsense moderator who could cut the mike after a warning light for rambling\lies\topic changes.

expect 100% non-answers from trump.

You know it has come up. Would Tapper's impeccable non-biased journalistic reputation get in the way?

Here's a supercut of Tapper doing the Trump=Hitler thing. What he - and most biased folks do - is eliminate a lot of context:

https://x.com/DailyCaller/status/18052844746678113...

https://redstate.com/levon/2024/06/24/flashback-co...

What Tapper is missing is that Trump is not talking about legal immigrants; he is talking about those entering America illegally. After several murders of young women were committed by illegal aliens, there has been more support to deport every illegal that is currently in the country. According to Tapper's logic, those people, including 53 percent of Hispanics, among other demographics, are "Nazi sympathizers."

Earlier today a CNN anchor cut the mic off of a Trump spokesperson (Karoline Leavitt) for daring to mention that CNN is a hostile forum for Trump in particular and Republicans in general. What's hilarious is that this same reporter (Kasie Hunt) was laughing about Rand Paul's assault, calling it "her favorite story":

https://x.com/DogRightGirl/status/1805257961280876...

No matter how much you hate the media, it's not enough.

Ace had this today; it fits here and for most of what we read on here:
You may wonder, "How could they claim to be objective?" It's simple: They claim, for each and every one of their leftwing opinions, that their opinions are objectively true. Donald Trump is objectively a Nazi. If you disagree, you're the one who's not objective. Their opinions are facts, your facts are hateful conspiracy theories.

...this is why so many of them can claim to be "centrist moderates" when in reality they're 2 sigmas left of the political median in this country.

But I tend to agree that Trump should be given enough rope to hang himself.

I think that IS the strategy with choosing to let Trump have the final word. Biden could have chosen to have the last word, perhaps to highlight the most egregious lies of the day. But the voters he needs to reach - the undecided middle - can spot the lies for themselves. So Biden will let the rambler ramble away for the last demonstration of the debate and let that linger on the undecided minds.

—Peter

Let me see if I have this correctly.

If Trump wins the debate, it’s because it was a fair debate.

If Trump loses the debate, it’s because it was an unfair debate.

Am I detecting a trend here?

You know it has come up. Would Tapper's impeccable non-biased journalistic reputation get in the way?

So you’re saying that the most cognitive, brilliant, toughest, very smart person ever got manipulated into an unfair debate by an incoherent, can’t string one sentence together, frail, dementia ridden old man?

Let me see if I have this correctly.

If Trump wins the debate, it’s because it was a fair debate.

If Trump loses the debate, it’s because it was an unfair debate.

Am I detecting a trend here? - AW

------------------

I think the more pragmatic way to look at it is, Trump may or may not win but either way, it remains to be seen if the debate was fair or not. The "fairness" of the debate more on the behavior of the moderators behavior than the candidates.

If Trump wins the debate, it’s because it was a fair debate.

If Trump loses the debate, it’s because it was an unfair debate.

If Trump loses the debate, he's a hero for taking on the corrupt media for what it really is; an organ of the anti-christian racist commie fascist librul demoncrap swamp. MAGA!

it remains to be seen if the debate was fair or not.

Wait a sec. Trump had the chance to negotiate the terms of the debate to make sure they were fair.

So if the debate isn’t fair, that would tell me that Trump is a bad negotiator.

—Peter

So if the debate isn’t fair, that would tell me that Trump is a bad negotiator.

—Peter

------------

So any bias or behavior exhibited by Jake Tapper is by definition fair? I suggest we can't know until we see the debate.

So any bias or behavior exhibited by Jake Tapper is by definition fair?

I’m suggesting that if Trump was worried about Tapper being fair, he should have addressed that before agreeing to the debate. That’s what a smart negotiator would do.

So either Trump is a bad negotiator or Trump thinks Tapper will be fair.

—Peter

So either Trump is a bad negotiator or Trump thinks Tapper will be fair.

Or he's making a gamble that he'll be fine going 1 versus 3.

Which is what is going to happen.

trump would have won because any loss is fake.
but he wants the unfair biased media to scream any loss is fake and he won but more importantly the opposition lost bigly.
then the unfair and biased media will be subjectively deemed by him, a fair and unbiased genius (everybody says), as instantly fair and unbiased. until next time.

[apply all]

Or he's making a gamble that he'll be fine going 1 versus 3.

OK. I can accept that as a possibility. The tables are tilted against Trump, but the mighty Trump can overcome that unfairness.

Of course, we have to consider what happens if Trump is not fine at the end of this. The logical conclusion would be that he didn't assess the situation correctly - the bias against him was larger than he thought - or that he simply failed to perform and overcome the correctly assessed bias against him. Complaining after the fact that the debate was biased is an admission that Trump made one of these errors. (Or that one of my previous arguments was correct - that he's a bad negotiator, or incorrectly thought that Tapper would be fair.) None of these are good qualities for a President of the United States.

Which is what is going to happen.

Obviously, I disagree with your pre-determined conclusion, mainly because I think Trump is a moron. But what you and I think is pretty much irrelevant.

These debates are to sway enough undecided voters to vote for one of the candidates to assure a victory. The polling between the two candidates is very close. It will be the currently undecided voters who will pick the next President.

--Peter

It will be the currently undecided voters who will pick the next President.

I don’t think so. It will be the turnout which decides. Yes, there are some who are wavering, but if you read the many articles where they are interviewed, they have mostly made up their minds and fall into one of the three camps: Biden, Trump, or “other” (mostly RFKJr). They are dithering because they are idiots, or because they think it’s cute to play “independent.”

The Trump acolytes will surely turn out in great numbers. The question is will traditional Republicans, or will they just sit out the day? Biden does not have the kind of energetic base that Trump has, so will *enough* of them get off their butts and vote? And a big question mark, although the final number will be small, is “what effect will RFKJr have” and which camp might those votes have gone to?

Perhaps it’s been mentioned upthread, but the best strategy I have seen is not to make a logical, “here’s what the economy really looks like and jobs and blah blah blah” because that’s not going to change any minds; perceptions are already set. Sure, mention it once or twice, but throw logic aside.

What Biden should do is say “Thank you convicted felon”, and “as the 34 time convicted felon by a jury of regular citizens found said” and “I don’t know why a convicted felon would be advocating that…” and so on.

And bring up women’s rights, rape, and abortion a few times. Make sure to say “convicted by a different jury of molestation of a woman” and that sort of thing.

Serious government talk isn’t gonna win the day.

ptheland: OK. I can accept that as a possibility. The tables are tilted against Trump...

You're actually buying into that nonsense?

The convicted felon has a history of complaining that the world is against him and the debates are always rigged. What's going on here is obvious:

1.) CNN hates the rapey guy so despite agreeing to the debate weeks ago -- remember, the convicted felon said “anywhere, any time, any place” -- it's now just so unfair and he might lose the debate to a juiced up Biden, so...;

2.) Biden better agree to be tested for drugs -- Dr. CandyMan Ronnie Johnson-Jackson just posted a letter he wrote to president Biden, on official stationery and everything, demanding the president take drug tests both before and after the debate.

In short, any bad outcome for the convicted felon and rapist is null and void.

Now considering that Trump is perhaps the biggest media spotlight whore in the world it's unlikely he will back out of the debates (as he did during the primaries) but he's certainly laying the groundwork for taking that off ramp. Whatever happens, Trump will declare victory, post some Survey Monkey survey that shows he won the debate 92%-8%, but will still say the debate was rigged, CNN cheated by giving Biden the questions ahead of time -- that one is all over Xhitter right now -- the hosts disrespected him and his supporters, and the studio lights were in his eyes.

Or he will back out, crying that he had no other recourse considering how unfairly "the tables were tilted against him".

Or he's making a gamble that he'll be fine going 1 versus 3.
Which is what is going to happen.

Not a bold prediction considering Trump will be the only felon on stage, and the only person who makes his living by incessantly lying and defrauding people.

"Biden does not have the kind of energetic base that Trump has, so will *enough* of them get off their butts and vote? "

There are about 20 people in what I consider my "inner circle", lol. We all despise Trump, although not all Democrats. They will all be voting, there is no way anybody is sitting out this election. I'm not betting any money on it, but I think there will be a record turnout. I think Biden wins popular vote by 10,000,000, trouncing the 7 million he won by in 2020. How that turns out electorally, I haven't a clue. Trump basically spends every day shooting himself in the foot. When America was in crisis during covid and on Jan 6th, Trump failed miserably, he was worse than inept, he was dangerously derelict. How does this translate to Trump getting more votes?
I know MAGA will never leave him, but who cares what MAGA does, they are a minority. Independents will determine the 2024 winner, Trump has done nothing to help his standing with them.

You're actually buying into that nonsense?

I'm just saying that I'll accept it as an argument and proceeding logically from there. I don't have to believe it to follow it to it's logical conclusion.

In short, any bad outcome for the convicted felon and rapist is null and void.

That's where I'm going with the rest of the post. Any complaining about the unfairness of the debate is an admission that Trump failed in the negotiations for the debate rules or in his preparation for the debate. That includes complaining that the tables were tilted against Trump going into the debate - because he had the chance to negotiate less biased rules before agreeing to the debate - AND that he accepted biased rules because he thought he could overcome the bias.

--Peter

"Any complaining about the unfairness of the debate is an admission that Trump failed in the negotiations for the debate rules or in his preparation for the debate."

Or....
Trump needs enemies to fight. His base loves to rail against the enemies with him. It's the WWE wrestling format without the costumes. Winning by losing.

Knowing he could not do well in a formal debate, before accepting an invitation Trump & Co. planned a strategy to fail and capitalize on that failure.

That plan includes accepting terms and conditions he could rail against, and moderators he could lambaste as corrupt media.

Trump sees the loss as an opportunity to further enrage MAGA, launching a new product, another round of fundraising.

His team has already scripted the ads, teleprompter dialogues, etc to maximally capitalize on the planned loss.

"We were treated so unfairly, we need to show them that the American people will not give up without a fight!... send me mo-money."

Interesting. So unless the odds are clearly stacked in Trump's favor, the odds are stacked against him. It's unfair, he can't win, even though he negotiated and agreed to the terms, and insisted on the debates in the first place. Biden will be hopped up on speed, while Trump will just wear his diapers.

It looks like Trump is prepping his followers that he will lose, but he will claim victory regardless, and vehemently complain about how it was rigged and unfair. Sound like typical Trump. Trump was trying to trip Biden up on his stuttering to make him look bad last time and couldn't do it.

Watcha all gonna do if Trump launches off into a word salad rant? Blame it on the moderators? Wait! There were secret lithium batteries under that stage and a shark tank. That's the ticket! :)

Let me see if I have this correctly.

If Trump wins the debate, it’s because it was a fair debate.

If Trump loses the debate, it’s because it was an unfair debate.

Am I detecting a trend here?

That's been the MO of Trump and MAGA since 2016. Trump was saying "if I lose, it's rigged". He was priming the pump. But he actually did win. Then in 2020, same thing. Except this time he lost. But the pump was primed, and "rigged" and "fake voters" and such dominated his speeches, and right-wing "media" (if you can call them that). That led to Jan 6, and the gullible fools that ended up in jail (not enough of them) and a capitol police officer who was killed.

Well, Trump and the right-wing media are priming the pump again...

So either Trump is a bad negotiator or Trump thinks Tapper will be fair.

—Peter
-----------------

Or Trump knows Tapper very well and agreed anyway....

this debate was clearly the fault of dems that could have set the terms for monitors to cut trump's microphone on obvious lies.

but to simplify :
neither candidate is likely to improve presentation of their congnition based on public speaking skills over the next 4 years.
so its even more critical to look at the caliber of talent that surrounds them.

biden has shown his cognition remains intact based on executive ACTIONS, specifically the u.s. economy and global leadership regaining many allies.

the biggest risk is that many americans think the election is a vote for best entertainer.

Post New

Falling Knives FAQ

---

Contact Shrewd'm
Contact the developer of these message boards.