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Author: Pandrea   😊 😞
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Subject: BearCatchers: SPY vs QQQ
Date: 07/15/2023 2:53 PM
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I've been using BCC signals as an aid in allocating investments in SPY and the like - and it occurs to me to wonder if it might prove helpful/possible to similarly calculate BCC signals based on DJ metrics for allocating investments in QQQ, etc.
Are the S&P and DJ be too closely correlated for this to be worth looking into or might it be useful?
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Author: RAMc   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: BearCatchers: SPY vs QQQ
Date: 07/15/2023 6:28 PM
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Using BCC for allocating / timing QQQ?
rrjjgg posted this GTR1 version of QQQ w/ BCC back in 2022

1999 to 20230310 CAGR 8.1 MDD -33.6% UI 10.8
https://gtr1.net/2013/?s19990310::BCC:et7:cashif:B...

QQQ 1999 to 2023 CAGR 8.2 MDD -83% UI 43.7

RAM
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Author: Andromeda   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: BearCatchers: SPY vs QQQ
Date: 07/16/2023 11:56 AM
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Thanks RAMc for those results with BCC used on QQQ!

Andromeda
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Author: Pandrea   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: BearCatchers: SPY vs QQQ
Date: 07/16/2023 5:22 PM
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Thank you very much, RAMc!
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Author: RAMc   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: BearCatchers: SPY vs QQQ
Date: 07/17/2023 11:38 AM
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An update the GTR1 backtest of using BCC for a QQQ signal.

The first step requires BCC = 7 this incorrectly leaves out several months of gains at the start.
Next, although BCC = 0 which requires all three signals to be Bull before going to cash works
a more cautious approach is to only require two of the three signals to be bullish BCC = 0!1!2!4.
The 19990310 to 20230310 results:
CAGR 10.76 SAWR 8.2% MDD -36.8 UI 11.7 Annual Turnover 1.25
For QQQ buy and hold same period:
CAGR 8.17 SAWR 3.1% MDD -83 UI 43.7 Annual Turnover 0.0
https://gtr1.net/2013/?s19990310h5::BCC:lt8:cashif...

Fantastic Results!

But just a little caution with depending on a backtest like this tuned and retuned after the last few market downturns. And I just retuned the results to use 2 of 3 indicators rather than all of them. The other big problem with market timing is that there just aren't enough cycles which last for more than a year in markets to give good statistical evidence of their accuracy. Remember BCC was developed after the 2008 downturn. Before that there were 100's of posts on the MI board comparing the three major timing services Timing Cube, Highlight and Intelli-Timer. For a long time before those three Fund Advice which had a publicly posted timing system since 1983 went silent in June 2008. To BCC's advantage two of the three indicators the 200 day returns and the 100 day no new highs are two of the oldest around.
I'm an old guy who can't help but looking for that magic market system that will protect me from the next big correction. But I've been around long enough and seen so many timing systems look like a sure thing only to crash that I wouldn't trust any system with all my marbles no matter how solid they look. One famous example from way back in the '60's Joe Granville in a weekly market newsletter became famous for predicting significant market moves. So many people started believing in his predictions that in April 1980 he went from 100% short to buy and the market went significantly up. His newsletter had over 20,000 subscribers at $250/year and 1,000+ subscribers at $500 /year would get telegraphic notices of market calls. He closed down his prediction service after he made a series of bad predictions. Later a study of his overall accuracy after concluded that his overall prediction accuracy was significantly better than random. As a side note during his peak, a small company I cofounded was developing an automated phone notification system (Pre internet) for his prime subscribers when he closed up shop.

RAMc
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Author: Pandrea   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: BearCatchers: SPY vs QQQ
Date: 07/17/2023 5:02 PM
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What do you think of using BCC measures to ease into/out of cash (ie, 1 Bear = going 1/3rd cash, 2 Bear = 2/3rds cash, etc)?
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Author: RAMc   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: BearCatchers: SPY vs QQQ
Date: 07/17/2023 7:29 PM
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What do you think of using BCC measures to ease into/out of cash (ie, 1 Bear = going 1/3rd cash, 2 Bear = 2/3rds cash, etc.)?

If you want significantly more complex backtested tactical strategies I suggest you consider going to Allocate Smartly.
They have more than 40 alternative strategies most tested from 1970's or '80's. Chose a combination of strategies based on completely different principals such as momentum, risk parity, canary indicators, unemployment. Mix them together to get combined signals using their Optimizer:
From their site:
'This tool is designed to help members create the optimal mix of strategies for their Model Portfolios based on common portfolio optimization techniques, such as maximizing the Sharpe Ratio or minimizing volatility".

That's what I'm currently doing with a portion of my investments. Except when they say use QQQ or SPY I use my screens. After doing this myself for several years I decided it was significantly easier with less probability for mistakes to let Allocate Smartly do it for me.

I have no connection to Allocate Smartly other than as a subscriber.

RAMc
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Author: FlyingCircus   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: BearCatchers: SPY vs QQQ
Date: 07/18/2023 1:18 AM
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FWIW I am trying to analyze forward returns of different durations from "my" timing signals dashboard (including BCs) when they are in different states.

Initial rudimentary stats (regressions, correlations) calculations indicate near zero correlation between 3-6 month forward return in the S&P and the pessimistic-neutral-optimistic states of my dashboard. I only have captured "dashboard" data snapshots going back about 5 years.

With the exception of the extremes; the most pessimistic negative environments have recently been a great contrarian "buy" opportunity, and the most optimistic positive go environments have recently been a good equity exposure reduction / take some "off the table" opportunity.

FC
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