Halls of Shrewd'm / US Policy
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I don't feel the penalty for criticizing MAGA or Trump should be criminal. Or punishable by prison or violence.
I'm more moderate on this one.
I'd say civil penalties and the I.R.S responsible for collecting the penalty each year.
Anyone feel that is good middle ground?
No. of Recommendations: 5
Anyone feel that is good middle ground?
There should be no penalty for criticizing anyone or anything. God, religion, the Felon, Congress (really, any elected officials), Kirk, Maddow, Miller, Fauci, Obama...no limit. Criticizing as long as it doesn't fall into legal libel or slander, of course.
There should be no legal penalty for speaking your mind. There may be personal/social penalties (e.g. your wife divorces you, your friends shun you, you get "cancelled", etc). But no legal penalties are appropriate. That's the 1st Amendment, or at least part of it.
No. of Recommendations: 1
I agree with you.
Just like if someone says "I'm against gay marriage" or "there's only 2. genders" anything from college admissions to jobs to CEOs shouldn't lose jobs. Boycotts shouldn't happen.
But seems the right has learned to Cancel.
So....in this new America - haha - I'm just trying to make it punishable financially not in some other way.
No. of Recommendations: 2
The left cancelled Uncle Ben. And Aunt Jemina. And the chick who used to be on the Land 'O Lakes box of butter.
Plus any high school kid who dared to make an intemperate remark as a 13 year old.
Now...lib professionals are coming out celebrating the murder of a man because he dared to have a conversation with the left.
The two instances aren't remotely similar. Companies and institutions - especially ones that require loads and loads of professional empathy - are choosing not to keep left wing sociopaths on the payroll.
No. of Recommendations: 11
Dope1: The left cancelled Uncle Ben. And Aunt Jemina [sic]. And the chick who used to be on the Land 'O Lakes box of butter.
Aw, do you miss those racist stereotypes of Blacks in servitude? I bet you do.
Dope1: Now...lib professionals are coming out celebrating the murder of a man because he dared to have a conversation with the left.
I haven't seen or heard anyone, amateur or professional, "celebrating the murder" of anyone. And, sorry, Charlie Kirk was not having "a conversation with the left."
These are not conversation starters:
May 19, 2023: “Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.”
July 13, 2023 (referring to Joy Reid, Michelle Obama, Shirley Jackson Lee, and Ketanji Brown Jackson): “You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.”
2023: “The philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country.”
2023: Jews control “not just the colleges — it’s the nonprofits, it’s the movies, it’s Hollywood, it’s all of it.”
January 3, 2024: “If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?”
January 23, 2024: “If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.”
March 1, 2024: “The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.”
April 1, 2024: “We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor. We need it immediately.”
June 11, 2024 (on stoning gay people to death): It is “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”
April, 2025: “Large dedicated Islamic areas are a threat to America."
August 22, 2025: “America was at its peak when we halted immigration for 40 years and we dropped our foreign-born percentage to its lowest level ever. We should be unafraid to do that.”
August 26, 2025: “Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge.”
September 8, 2025: “Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America.”
Friendly advice from your favorite ChatNPC: Go peddle crazy someplace else.
Yeah, that was sarcasm.
No. of Recommendations: 17
The left cancelled Uncle Ben. And Aunt Jemina. And the chick who used to be on the Land 'O Lakes box of butter.
Big fucking deal. No POTUS waged a national campaign to doxx, and financially ruin anybody who spoke out in support of Ben and Jemima.
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I"km a beacon of hope.
I'm the calm reaspned one.
I am saying, Trump should only be allowed to fine pewopel who speak against MAGA and allow the IRS to collect.
I'm an activist for liberty in Sheeple's America and i don't want people jailed or killed for speaking against MAGA.
I think a fine, is fair.
Baaaaaaaaaaaa he'him. they them. Garcia!
No. of Recommendations: 12
lib professionals are coming out celebrating the murder of a man ……
You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
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You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
Right.
"Yaaaayyyyyy! He's dead! Hahahaahahahah!"
That's not celebrating.
PS. You guys have no ability to gaslight the electorate any longer.
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Aw, do you miss those racist stereotypes of Blacks in servitude? I bet you do.
Erm, what are you even on about?
I haven't seen or heard anyone, amateur or professional, "celebrating the murder" of anyone.
That's because you're either lying or so deep in the left wing bubble that you still believe Robinson was MAGA.
No. of Recommendations: 10
Dope1:
Erm, what are you even on about?You, upthread, complaining about the loss of the racial stereotypes of Uncle Ben and Aunt Jemima.
You wrote it right here:
The left cancelled Uncle Ben. And Aunt Jemina [sic].
https://www.shrewdm.com/MB?pid=628260291&wholeThre...Or probably you don't understand that they were racial stereotypes.
No surprise, there.
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You, upthread, complaining about the loss of the racial stereotypes of Uncle Ben and Aunt Jemima.
They weren't racial stereotypes. Uncle Ben was in fact a real guy.
Go get yourself a clue. And stop pretending an awful lot of liberals weren't ecstatic about Kirk.
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Aw, do you miss those racist stereotypes of Blacks in servitude? I bet you do.
Erm, what are you even on about?
You see Dope? That required you to think abstractly to understand him. He even gave you a shove in the right direction and you didn't understand it. Are you faking this?
No. of Recommendations: 15
They weren't racial stereotypes. Uncle Ben was in fact a real guy.
There was no real Uncle Ben. He was modeled after a waiter. There was a real Aunt Jemima. She made stops promoting her syrup. I loved Aunt Jemima, but what was sold was a Southern racial stereotype that little kids, like me, didn't clue in on until later in life, when we began to understand all the racism we'd lived through.
I know its abstract thought, but you can do it. Someone here already described the Aunt and Uncle part. Uncle meant you didn't call him Mr down South, even though he wasn't any white man's Uncle - or they didn't recognize it. it becomes down home and folksy, but it isn't. They're good collectibles for blacks and I brought my black friends some salt, pepper shakers and some sugar containers that are now collectibles, one's an antique. It sold. I'll remind you there was a KKK wizard in Indiana who fell out of favor by chewing a woman to death. Crosses were burned in my home town. We allowed the Lost Cause to rewrite history because we were bigots ourselves, plenty of bigots in the North, but Trump had them take take down that whipped black slave photo that helped swing the North around to be anti slavery.
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That's because you're either lying or so deep in the left wing bubble that you still believe Robinson was MAGA.
A person raised MAGA, replete with machine gun and RPG training can fall in love with a transitioning man and act irrationally on their behalf.
Lucky he didn't take out the Turning Profit USA pop-up with an RPfuckin'G
Made By MAGA. Own it.
No. of Recommendations: 4
And stop pretending an awful lot of liberals weren't ecstatic about Kirk.
Being ecstatic about a death does not mean one approves of the means by which the death occured. Shooting the guy was demented, same as shooting school kids, senators and puppies.
It would have been far more meaningful if a lightening bolt from the heavens struck him down. But, come to think about it... if everything happens 'because god', who are we to question his divine act? His will has been done on earth as it is in heaven?
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It would have been far more meaningful if a lightening bolt from the heavens struck him down. But, come to think about it... if everything happens 'because god', who are we to question his divine act? His will has been done on earth as it is in heaven?
Amen. Clearly God directed the hand and gun of Tyler Robinson to remove Kirk from this mortal coil. S/he works in mysterious ways after all. And since Kirk was such a good upstanding born again Christian, I'm sure God just wanted Kirk up there in heaven for some good company. 🤢🤮
No. of Recommendations: 1
Just like if someone says "I'm against gay marriage" or "there's only 2. genders" anything from college admissions to jobs to CEOs shouldn't lose jobs. Boycotts shouldn't happen.
I said there should be no government action. Companies (for example) have to respond to their customers, or they won't be companies for very long. Microsoft (just to pick a random company) is not bound by free speech requirements. They can require their employees to say (or not say) anything they want. They would have to balance employee morale with customer wants. That is, too restrictive and no one wants to work for them, but some customers may be alienated if a CEO gets up and spouts the "N" word.
That's all free market stuff. Completely different from government illegally limiting such speech.
No. of Recommendations: 8
Dope1:
They weren't racial stereotypes. Uncle Ben was in fact a real guy. Go get yourself a clue. Umm, the man on the boxes was not
a real guy.
The man depicted on the boxes was a black Chicago waiter who posed for what became the illustration for the brand used by Mars, Incorporated. The name originated with a rice grower in 1946.
At that time, white Southerners “used ‘uncle’ and ‘aunt’ as honorifics for older blacks because they refused to say ‘Mr.’ and ‘Mrs.’”
Uncle Ben and Aunt Jemima were mascots were intended to let white consumers indulge in a fantasy of enslaved people as submissive, self-effacing, loyal and contentedly pacified.
In short, pretty much the definition of racism.
Here, go get yourself a clue:
Most of those bemoaning the loss of “Auntie” today wouldn't have discovered her the way that earlier generations did, as cut-out dolls from the box of pancake mix. Nancy Green, the real Kentucky woman born into enslavement in 1834 who became the model for the original Aunt Jemima on the box, first had her appearance corrupted for the branding and then transformed into an antebellum toy for white children. Her heartbreakingly sincere appearance at the Chicago World’s Fair in 1893 assuaged any remnants of post-bellum rage at Black people by telling stories and cooking up the original Aunt Jemima pancake mix — a little wheat, a little corn and a lot of nostalgia for something that never was.The Title “Uncle”:
In the Southern United States during the Jim Crow era, Black men were often denied the formal and respectful title of “Mister”. Instead, they were referred to as “boy” or “uncle,” a practice that stripped them of dignity and was a clear sign of their inferior social status.
Also, see the “Smiling Black Man” archetype.
Servile Imagery:
The packaging featured a smiling, white-haired Black man, which critics argued invoked the stereotype of the submissive, contented servant. The bow tie, specifically, evoked a sense of servitude.
So, yeah, racist.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/aunt-jemima-...https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/business/uncle-bens...
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The man depicted on the boxes was a black Chicago
So. A real guy.
Why are you make the rather (racist) assumption about his title? Seems kinda…racist to me.
No. of Recommendations: 5
And stop pretending an awful lot of liberals weren't ecstatic about Kirk.
An awful lot of liberals had no idea who Kirk was until he got shot.
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So. A real guy.
Uncle Ben was a real guy?
Only in the sense that a male model used in an ad campaign is a real guy.
Was his given name “Uncle Ben”?
Was the myth of “Uncle Ben” based on the life of the guy who posed for the picture?
Actually, the myth of “Uncle Ben” seems to be a compilation of two people- one a waiter in Chicago named Frank, and the other- a black rice farmer in Louisiana named Ben.
In 2020, Mars told Ad Age, "We don't know if a real 'Ben' ever existed."
You are upset over the removal of an advertising strategy- nothing more.
No. of Recommendations: 3
Aunt Jemima:
Nancy Green portrayed the Aunt Jemima character at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago and was one of the first Black corporate models in the United States.Subsequent advertising agencies hired dozens of actresses to perform the role as the first organized sales promotion campaign.
Like Uncle Ben, Aunt Jemima was not a real person but an image created to sell a food brand.
The images of black “uncles” and “aunts” as subservient bearers of good food enjoyed by white people have been retired by the food industry.
Cheer up, Dope. They were market decisions, driven by analyses of the comparative costs of keeping vs dropping images of subservient blacks on the boxes of their products.
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Cheer up, Dope. They were market decisions, driven by analyses of the comparative costs of keeping vs dropping images of subservient blacks on the boxes of their products.
Glad you're on board with market based decisions! Kimmel had bad ratings that were about to get worse given his toxically stupid remarks on the Kirk murder.
So...he gawn.
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"There was a real Aunt Jemima. She made stops promoting her syrup. Seems that Aunt Jemima is a fictional character created by Quaker Oats and portrayed by:
Lillian Richard (March 23, 1891 – July 2, 1956) was an African-American actress best known for portraying Aunt Jemima. In 1925 she was hired by the Quaker Oats Company to portray “Aunt Jemima,” a character originally developed in the 1890s by Nancy Green and based on the song “Old Aunt Jemima,” composed by Black performer Billy Kersands in the 1870s and later popularized in minstrel shows. Lillian was one of several African American actresses who portrayed “Aunt Jemima” and served as regional ambassadors for Quaker Oats. Throughout Texas she promoted Aunt Jemima brand pancake mix products and gave demonstrations in stores.https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/entries/willia...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillian_Richard
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Glad you're on board with market based decisions!
Not on board. Not off board. Just calling it what it is.
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Not on board. Not off board. Just calling it what it is.
That's the safe lane, the one where you can avoid taking a stand one way or the other and still get to claim The Other Side is a bunch of fascist hypocrites.
It has...amused me...in the past to see that tactic get played out on PA and on this board.
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And here's what the market said:
https://x.com/WeAreSinclair/status/196847466704952...(Somebody will be along shortly to whine that Sinclair is a right wing fascist propaganda mill, but nobody cares).
The important factoid here is that they own
178 TV stations in
81 markets across the country.
And what the guy says is essentially "How about let's not be a d1ck on the air?". Perfectly reasonable.
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That's the safe lane, the one where you can avoid taking a stand one way or the other and still get to claim The Other Side is a bunch of fascist hypocrites.
Then you misunderstood my point.
Market based decisions are…. market based decisions and are value neutral. One cannot justify the morality of a corporate decision based on simply “It’s a market based decision.”
Selling Zyklon B to the German government was, acter all, a market based decision.
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Market based decisions are…. market based decisions and are value neutral. One cannot justify the morality of a corporate decision based on simply “It’s a market based decision.”
Selling Zyklon B to the German government was, acter all, a market based decision.
You might want to re-think this post.
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The market will work fine.
BUT, there needs to be a requirement for citizens and legal residents to do 50% of their commerce with MAGA related businesses.
Maybe even create a government agency to oversee it or just put. IRS in charge of it.
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BUT, there needs to be a requirement for citizens and legal residents to do 50% of their commerce with MAGA related businesses.
Not sure if you're serious. On the chance that you are, absolutely not. Violates the Commerce Clause, I believe.
I'll do business (or not) with whomever I choose. That's one of those fundamental rights I'm pretty particular about.
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there needs to be a requirement for citizens and legal residents to do 50% of their commerce with MAGA related businesses.
DONE !!
I will buy all my weapons and ammunition/supplies from liberal businesses.
I will shoot all my weapons and ammunition at MAGA businesses.
They each got 50% of the total used.
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BUT, there needs to be a requirement for citizens and legal residents to do 50% of their commerce with MAGA related businesses.
Not sure if you're serious. On the chance that you are, absolutely not. Violates the Commerce Clause, I believe.
I'll do business (or not) with whomever I choose. That's one of those fundamental rights I'm pretty particular about.
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So you agree with MAGA and SCOTUS about the individual mandate in ObamaCare. I respect your opinion but i really wish the individial mandate ha stayed in I felt it was wise good policy.
And yes, you can do business with whomever you choose.
You shouldn't be forced, nudged, coerced into buying an "EV" or certaqin kind of bbq grill or air conditioner or washing machine.
If anyone ever tried to do that stuff I'd say it's time for them to be forced and told how to spend their money and with whom.
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So you agree with MAGA and SCOTUS about the individual mandate in ObamaCare. I respect your opinion but i really wish the individial mandate ha stayed in I felt it was wise good policy.
The legal question is a bit tricky. However, I think SCOTUS got it wrong. We were being required to buy insurance. It was up to us whom we bought it from. If the law had said "you must buy from United Healthcare", then I would have agreed with SCOTUS. But that's not what it said. I believe some states still required you purchase auto insurance to register your car. Arizona dropped that requirement several years ago (which was a bad idea). This is no different, really.
The right tries to deny it, but the individual mandate was "invented" by the right-wing Heritage Foundation to address the "free rider" problem in the Republican counter-proposal to "HillaryCare"**. There may have been some differences around the edges, but the core was the same idea. The ACA used that concept to address the same problem.
You shouldn't be forced, nudged, coerced into buying an "EV" or certaqin kind of bbq grill or air conditioner or washing machine.
I'm OK with that, to a point. Creating incentives for people to change behavior is an acceptable means of changing society. I have no problem with EV tax credits (combats air pollution, climate change, water pollution -remember the Gulf of Mexico?-, etc), or higher efficiency standards, or things like that. I do have a problem with direct subsidies for producers (sugar, corn, oil, etc). Another incentive is taxes...like on tobacco. Those can work, also. It's a matter of opinion when it goes too far. I don't think there's a bright line there. But I will note that almost no cars had airbags until the US government mandated them. It was cheaper to make cars without them, so that's what manufacturers did.
**Which, as I recall, also relied on insurance companies, as opposed to HillaryCare that was more of a single-payer thing. Obama basically resurrected the Republican counter-proposal, and passed it. They were by no means identical, but the core of each was private insurance with an individual mandate.
No. of Recommendations: 9
(Somebody will be along shortly to whine that Sinclair is a right wing fascist propaganda mill, but nobody cares).Don't want you hanging in suspense. :)
Remember the supercut of local news actors, reading a mandatory script, provided by Sinclair, leveraging Trump's "fake news" narrative?
Sinclair's Soldiers in Trump's War on Mediahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fHfgU8oMSoNot surprisingly, Sinclair was the second station owner to demand Kimmel be suspended, and not allowed back on the air, until he apologized, and a big donation made to Kirk's "Turning Profit" organization.
For years, Sinclair has been pushing to be allowed to shut down local "news" operations, and feed all the news from a central location, where it is easier for management to control the content. Sinclair has also been pushing against regs that limit how many stations a single company can own in a single market. Of course, this all depends on the good will of the FCC
From 2017:
On Oct. 24, the FCC voted to eliminate a rule requiring TV stations to maintain local studios in the markets where they are licensed. Without this rule, local news production will likely move to centralized studios in New York and Washington as larger networks purchase local stations.
The FCC will also vote on eliminating two cross-ownership bans at its November meeting. The bans in question prohibit the same company from owning any combination of a television station, radio station, or newspaper in a single market; owning multiple television broadcasters if there are fewer than eight independently-owned stations in a given market; and owning multiple top-four stations in a single market. The FCC is expected to eliminate the bans and accommodate the trend toward media consolidation by a handful of players, including Sinclair. https://www.newamerica.org/oti/blog/what-you-need-...Just think. 28 channels, and they are all Sinclair No more worrying about which station is telling the truth, because they all say the same thing.
Steve...all encompassing,"big gummit" is now good. who would have thought?
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But, we will shout he/him they/them ..... and lose our 53% Kamala poll and her fundraising lead too.
Was it worth it?
Still -- not one 401K'er here can look in the mirror.
Oh well, add more debt. Fire more tv people.
No. of Recommendations: 6
But seems the right has learned to Cancel.
I am reasonably confident that, in the next year or two, everyone who donated to an organization like "MoveOn" or the ACLU, or subscribed to YouTube channels like TYT or David Pakman, will be on a list that crosses someone's desk in DC.
I remember a candidate debate, where Bush waggled his finger at Dukakis, and accused him of being "a card carrying member of the ACLU", an echo of 1950s McCarthyism. Dukakis whipped out his ACLU card, and demanded to know what was wrong with being in favor of human rights.
Steve
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Nancy Green portrayed the Aunt Jemima character at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago and was one of the first Black corporate models in the United States.Subsequent advertising agencies hired dozens of actresses to perform the role as the first organized sales promotion campaign.
Like Uncle Ben, Aunt Jemima was not a real person but an image created to sell a food brand.
Damn! I saw a pic earlier in life and oviously didn't investigate. Just loved that syrup. Another memory - gone! :(
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I remember a candidate debate, where Bush waggled his finger at Dukakis, and accused him of being "a card carrying member of the ACLU", an echo of 1950s McCarthyism. Dukakis whipped out his ACLU card, and demanded to know what was wrong with being in favor of human rights.
Steve
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And then Bush won and Clarence Thomas was on the court.
Versus Bill Clinton who moved Rightward towards the middle and won twice.
Do you prefer Thomas or Ruth Ginsburg?
Fast foward to today.
Ignore a huge swatch of Americans, many of whoe didn't enjoy the 401K high tech economic boom. Shame them for their background and beliefs, make them be demure while they have to salute other heritages and adapt to them. Rinse and repeat for decades.
Top it off with Pronouns.
Kamala, with her fundraising lead and 53% polls----loses.
Trump gets a 2nd term.
I am incredulous that Liberals won't look at the Clinton model.
Oh well. Kimmel gone. Shove the Bill of Rights up your organic fed butts :)
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I am incredulous that Liberals won't look at the Clinton model.
Because BC would triangulate when he had. But look at who the democrats are now - they can’t possibly adopt any Republican positions: they’ve spent years claiming those things are all Hitlerian.
They’ve got nowhere to go…but down. Hopefully sooner rather than later. America needs a center left party to balance out the GOP. Today’s democrat party should go the way of the dodo. Or the Whigs.
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Ignore a huge swatch of Americans, many of whoe didn't enjoy the 401K high tech economic boom. Shame them for their background and beliefs, make them be demure while they have to salute other heritages and adapt to them.Yup, that is what made Fox Noise, and Trump.
Ever see Michael Moore's "Trumpland" speech?
From summer 2016: This is the meat of the considerably longer speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEHekdQSiXgSo, here we are, with his nibs dictating what the media can say about him, and taxing much of the stuff Proles buy, to give himself and his zillionaire cronies another tax cut.
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 16
But look at who the democrats are now - they can’t possibly adopt any Republican positions: they’ve spent years claiming those things are all Hitlerian.
You mean like the bipartisan immigration bill that was supported by deep red Oklahoma senator James Langford, who described the bill as "the most conservative border security bill in decades”?
You know, the bipartisan bill killed by Mr. Fragile Ego out of petty vindictiveness.
Once again, your beliefs clash with reality.
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ope: "look at who the democrats are now - they can’t possibly adopt any Republican positions: they’ve spent years claiming those things are all Hitlerian. "
Imagine, if you will, a dope with no strawmen.....
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You know, the bipartisan bill killed by Mr. Fragile Ego out of petty vindictiveness.
Once again, your beliefs clash with reality.
You mean the bill that this board swore up and down was necessary to secure the border?
And then Trump proved us righties 100000000% correct by securing the border without your Trojan horse?
That bill? Yeah.
You guys are getting old. You’re not even making crushing your posts even remotely challenging.
No. of Recommendations: 5
And then Trump proved us righties 100000000% correct by securing the border without your Trojan horse?
Yes, that's right. The job was impossible for anyone else. No-one, in the history of the universe, could have solved that problem. But, he, and he alone, saw the path. Hallowed is the Trump.
Steve
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The job was impossible for anyone else. No-one, in the history of the universe, could have solved that problem. But, he, and he alone, saw the path.
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Apparently - since no one else stepped up,despite what the majority of citizens have wanted for decades.
No. of Recommendations: 16
bighairymike: Apparently - since no one else stepped up,despite what the majority of citizens have wanted for decades.
According to a Washington Post poll conducted in September 2025, 55% of Americans disapprove of Trumpedo's handling of immigration. I may be wrong, but in my statistics class that is not a majority.
Still, it is rather stunning that a little over 40% of Americans approve of Goon Squads disappearing individuals off the streets (including children), zip-tying them, treating them like vermin, packing them into cells, and then sending them either to a foreign prison or to a country they weren't born in or never once set foot in without an opportunity to appear in court.
But then about 30% of republicans, the law and order party, believe a republican president shouldn't obey federal court rulings. I'm willing to bet that percent shrinks dramatically when a democrat sits in the White House.
No. of Recommendations: 6
Presidents who declare emergencies when there aren't any so they can do whatever they want to do are something new. Presidents have fairly well respected the requirement and we haven't had a Supreme Court like this one either. Evidently y'all will go along with anything. Are y'all gonna start chanting "Civil War!" again? Are you people going to tell us you have all the guns again? Are you going to show us you can arrest Antifa when they haven't done anything yet? Does Antifa morph and became all Demoncrats soon, or are you going to wait a bit? Are you going to declare Martial law and put Oathkeepers, Proud Boys, and 3%ers on the streets? Where is that new EO where Trump makes a goon squad? Is that coming up? Is Trump going to choose administrators who will just hustle as many people back across the border while farmers go bankrupt? We gonna bail out the failing farmers?
No. of Recommendations: 5
Where is that new EO where Trump makes a goon squad? The EO was issued three weeks ago: personnel to be drawn from National Guard units, across the country. The troops are to be specially trained and equipped to suppress the civilian population, as "his nibs" sees fit.
(ii) The Secretary of Defense shall immediately begin ensuring that each State’s Army National Guard and Air National Guard are resourced, trained, organized, and available to assist Federal, State, and local law enforcement in quelling civil disturbances and ensuring the public safety and order whenever the circumstances necessitate, as appropriate under law. In coordination with the respective adjutants general, the Secretary of Defense shall designate an appropriate number of each State’s trained National Guard members to be reasonably available for rapid mobilization for such purposes. In addition, the Secretary of Defense shall ensure the availability of a standing National Guard quick reaction force that shall be resourced, trained, and available for rapid nationwide deployment. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/20...There's your "good squad". An organization we old phartz would call "brown shirts".
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 9
assist Federal, State, and local law enforcement in quelling civil disturbances and ensuring the public safety and order whenever the circumstances necessitate, as appropriate under law.
Except they've shown us, demonstrated that "quelling civil disturbances and ensuring public safety" means whatever they wish it to at the moment. Expect them to be unreasonably deployed during the 2026 election. I'm going to get me a truck load of mail in ballot applications and march through the Dem communities - Steve Miller will declare me Antifa and the next thing I know I'll be in CECOT. MAGA has no respect for the law or any treaties.
No. of Recommendations: 3
... Goon Squads disappearing individuals off the streets (including children), zip-tying them, treating them like vermin, packing them into cells, and then sending them either to a foreign prison or to a country they weren't born in or never once set foot in without an opportunity to appear in court. - CO
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Yep, that is a problem. Happens every day, just like you say, hundreds disappear every week, someone should do something about it.
I sure am glad to see how we have toned down the hyperbolic rhetoric to help the reduce the violence.
No. of Recommendations: 5
You mean the bill that this board swore up and down was necessary to secure the border?
And then Trump proved us righties 100000000% correct by securing the border without your Trojan horse?
That bill? Yeah.
No. You needed the bill for 1. the money to make the new hearing boards/trials, 2. to get the administrators up to snuff and new judges for those with "wobbler" cases, and the infrastructure. If you're going to treat people as required by the Constitution, then you need due process, and you need the money, the skilled people, and the infrastructure to handle people in the volume y'all want out the door - deported. It was there. You just passed a substitute, but you are waaay behind and have darkened the perception of the US in the world by your callous disregard for things the founders held necessary for a free peoples.
Securing the border? NO. Actually deporting criminals. You needed it and passed it after you got everyone upset with you for the SS that you are.
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I sure am glad to see how we have toned down the hyperbolic rhetoric to help the reduce the violence.
Heh. Their most popular YouTube guy went on Piers Morgan's show and said that all conservatives should be shot at until they quit speaking.
We've known who they are for some time now. What's changed is that now...so do the normies.
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the majority of citizens have wanted for decades.
You are *still* failing basic arithmetic, we see.
As Spankee states: He LOVES the uneducated, so you fit "right in".
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Are you going to declare Martial law
That would be MARTIAN law. WAAAAYYY OUT THERE !!!
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Let's leave it to the immortal Kurt Schlichter:
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/202...The real impact of Charlie Kirk’s murder was on normal people. We knew the nature of our enemy; the normals didn’t. The other day, normal people are watching this clean-cut, pleasant Christian guy debating politely with a wide range of lunatics, and, all of a sudden, his neck explodes in a fountain of blood. It was shocking for us already in the fight aesthetically but it was not in concept; for normal people, it was a graphic revelation of something they didn’t quite realize before. They didn’t quite realize that the left doesn’t just disagree with them, that the left is more than just a bunch of nuts who say weird things and do weirder things, but that the left consists of people who actually want to hurt them for being normal.
For normals, that was mind-blowing. Moreover, the cringe reaction of people around them, people that they thought were normal and not insanely evil, utterly red-pilled them. It pulled back the curtain on the left. Normals never realized just how sick these bastards really are, and now they can’t unsee it.Yup.
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I sure am glad to see how we have toned down the hyperbolic rhetoric to help the reduce the violence.
Physician, heal thyself.
Jesus
e.g.;
“It is the enemy from within. And they’re very dangerous—they’re Marxists and Communists and fascists … They’re dangerous for our country. We have China, we have Russia, we have all these countries. If you have a smart president, they can all be handled. The more difficult are, you know, the Pelosis, these people, they’re so sick; they’re so evil.”
“Well, revenge does take time. I will say that. And sometimes revenge can be justified, Phil, I have to be honest.”
“If I don’t get elected … it’s going to be a bloodbath for the country.”
“They’re poisoning the blood of our country.”
“We pledge to you that we will root out the Communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical-left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, that lie and steal and cheat on elections … The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave than the threat from within. Our threat is from within.”
“This is an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH.” [Suggesting that General Mark Milley should be executed]
“Can’t you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?”
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I sure am glad to see how we have toned down the hyperbolic rhetoric to help the reduce the violence.
Dope ain't representing you well there, that's for sure, but he has selective amnesia. What are you doing taking it to the point where masked men are picking up people off the street, shipping unconvicted people to foreign prisons, raiding our allies start up factories, causing our farmers to sell their dairy cattle,etc., etc., etc. Mike, y'all have been talking civil war for a couple of decades now. We would dearly love to get back to some sense of normalcy.
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Don't care. We really don't.
We've told you for 20+ years that all your hate has to go somewhere and that sooner or later you were going to get through to the crazies who were going to act on it.
And now they are.
No lib - not a one of you - has any standing to whine about anything that Trump says for all of eternity. Or anything that any right winger says. Ever again.
So just...don't.
You people face a choice: you can step into the arena of ideas and get your коллективный asses kicked or you can keep down the road generations of libs have paved with Hate Concrete.
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No lib - not a one of you - has any standing to whine about anything that Trump says for all of eternity.
We are all too busy ROFLMAO regarding Spankee's nonsense. He is more disposable than a tissue (at either end). Spankee can whine all he wants, but everything he says is pure BS--and everyone knows it.
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No lib - not a one of you - has any standing to whine about anything that Trump says for all of eternity. Or anything that any right winger says. Ever again.
So just...don't.
Hear and tremble, ye subjects of Shrewdom!
The Emperor has spoken!
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No lib - not a one of you - has any standing to whine about anything that Trump says for all of eternity.~DOPE
LOL! MAGA trots out their old favorite, Whataboutism (also called whataboutery)...
Yes, Donald Trump's criminality is truly breathtaking, but Dems don't have a leg to stand on because something, something or another...
Whataboutism is closely related to the tu quoque ("you too") fallacy, a subtype of the ad hominem argument.
It attempts to undermine the critic’s position by accusing them of similar or worse behavior, rather than addressing the substance of the original criticism.
This is considered a logical fallacy because:
1) Even if the counter-accusation is true, it does not refute or excuse the original wrongdoing.
2) It distracts from the issue at hand, often derailing productive discussion.
Users of whataboutism are attempting to avoid accountability and in turn avoid the original argument.
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Hear and tremble, ye subjects of Shrewdom!
The Emperor has spoken!
OFF WITH HIS HEAD !!
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The Emperor has spoken!
Indeed. Since that seems to be the system of government many of you would prefer.
-EmperorDope, First of His Name.
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Hear and tremble, ye subjects of Shrewdom!
The Emperor has spoken!
****
Are you talk about Trump's First Inaugural speech or his 2nd Inaugural Speech?
Sheeple played a big part in both.
PS: In the middle of those two, I got your capitol good on 1/6 :)
Boom....I'm winning.
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PS: In the middle of those two, I got your capitol good on 1/6 :)
Boom....I'm winning.
Yes, you are.
I think it's time for some history lessons for the board. It's high time they learn the origins of their governmental "philosophy" and put them on the record for liking the underpinnings of it...
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I think it's time for some history lessons for the board.
France, 1789. THUNK !! Another "leader" has his term "shortened by a head".
Iraq, 20xx. SWING !! Another "leader" has his term ended in his hanging. MAGAllows are still in storage, so they can be PUT TO USE on broadcast. Good entertainment for all.
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Hear and tremble, ye subjects of Shrewdom!
The Emperor has spoken! bow down, BOW DOWN, OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES.
And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming
And the sign said, "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls
And whispered in the sound of silence"https://genius.com/Simon-and-garfunkel-the-sound-o...Steve...Hallowed be the Trump
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They will not see. They will not listen. Blindly they follow their seducers into ruin.
White Rose, Fifth Leaflet, January 1943
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Nice Simon and Garfunkel.
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And the sign said, "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls
And whispered in the sound of silence"Reminded me of some similar lyrics that also pertain to our shady snake oil salesman of a president:
For the words of the profits were written on the studio wall,
Concert hall!
And echoes with the sound of salesmen,
Of salesmen!
Of salesmen!Rush – The Spirit of Radio
https://genius.com/Rush-the-spirit-of-radio-lyricsPeace be with you. Hallowed be the Trump.
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No lib - not a one of you - has any standing to whine about anything that Trump says for all of eternity. Or anything that any right winger says. Ever again.
You are delusional and drunk on the RWNJ koolaid.
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Happens every day, just like you say, hundreds disappear every week, someone should do something about it.
That's some grade-A dismissive snark there, bruh.
So how many disappearances is acceptable to the modern fascist these days?
I recently learned that 3 down arrows in pro-trump posts is a reference to Pinochet throwing people out of helicopters. Charming.
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I sure am glad to see how we have toned down the hyperbolic rhetoric to help the reduce the violence.
How clueless can you be?
I guess you never listen to the words spewed by your Dear Leader.
If you only listen to FOX et al, then sure, you really don't have a clue, because they sure as hell aren't going to be telling you the truth.
Do you like to wallow in ignorance?
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I sure am glad to see how we have toned down the hyperbolic rhetoric to help the reduce the violence.
If your people would tone down their hyperbolic illegal activities, our people would have no need for hyperbolic rhetoric.
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I recently learned that 3 down arrows in pro-trump posts is a reference to Pinochet throwing people out of helicopters.
Toss Spankee from a helicopter into the currently-bubbling magma of a Hawaiian volcano.
