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Author: hclasvegas   😊 😞
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Subject: The Washington Post, Biden should not
Date: 11/14/2023 9:40 AM
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Run again. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/13...
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Subject: Re: The Washington Post, Biden should not
Date: 11/14/2023 11:55 AM
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And again, that's just nonsense.

He's just wishing that someone would run against Biden. But no one is, and no one's going to.

The filing deadlines for the early primary states have already passed. The filing deadlines for all the primaries up to Super Tuesday will be passing in the next few weeks. By Christmas, nearly all the Super Tuesday filing deadlines will have expired, too.

It's not happening. No one's entering the race to challenge Biden. And even if Biden were to come to the conclusion that he's not in a great spot to win re-election, it's too late for someone to start from zero and have a better chance to beat the Republican nominee. Which makes him really, really unlikely to leave the race.
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Author: onepoorguy 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The Washington Post, Biden should not
Date: 11/14/2023 1:25 PM
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I wonder what's fueling all this FUD about Biden not running. As you say, it's utter nonsense. There is no other candidate running, filing deadlines are coming up (as you indicated); it's just not happening. It is almost certainly going to be Biden v Trump, unless states are able to exclude Trump from their ballots. I believe Colorado is attempting to do that, but I don't know if it's legal. Especially since Trump hasn't been convicted of insurrection (and I don't think he's even charged with it...just election tampering, RICO, fraud, etc.).

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Subject: Re: The Washington Post, Biden should not
Date: 11/14/2023 1:59 PM
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I wonder what's fueling all this FUD about Biden not running.

IMHO, mostly it's venting. At least on the Democratic/progressive side. They're nervous because Biden has some obvious flaws, they'd rather go into an election with a candidate with no obvious flaws, and are engaged in a little wishing.

Part of it is jockeying for policies. One way to try to convince an Administration that isn't doing what you want is to try to make them afraid that it will prevent their re-election. So the progressive wing, which is **very** unhappy with some of Biden's choices, are agitating to get him to make different choices.

And part of it is just a clever framing for hitting an opponent with negatives. The GOP is going to be running a lot of "Biden's too old to be President" attack ads in the upcoming campaign. Fueling a discussion of, "Is Biden so old that he should reconsider running?" is an effective additional way of framing that message.
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Author: g0177325   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The Washington Post, Biden should not
Date: 11/14/2023 2:58 PM
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It's not happening. No one's entering the race to challenge Biden.

Isn't Dean Phillips challenging Biden for the Democratic nomination? He has no chance of course, but he's still running against Biden despite his professed love for all Biden's policies and Biden's inherent "goodness". But he's still offering a democratic alternative.
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Author: onepoorguy 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The Washington Post, Biden should not
Date: 11/14/2023 2:59 PM
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I think if Republicans run those sorts of ads, it could backfire on them. Trump is almost as old, and has his share of gaffes, too. I don't think that is a winning campaign point for them. If it were DeSantis, sure. He's relatively young. But Trump basically is as old as Biden.
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Subject: Re: The Washington Post, Biden should not
Date: 11/14/2023 3:09 PM
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Isn't Dean Phillips challenging Biden for the Democratic nomination? He has no chance of course, but he's still running against Biden despite his professed love for all Biden's policies and Biden's inherent "goodness". But he's still offering a democratic alternative.

Yes, but I should have said that no one serious is entering the race to challenge Biden. Dean Phillips doesn't really fit the bill. He's a sitting U.S. Congressman, which certainly elevates him above the many dozens of "crank" candidates that will try to get their names on primary ballots around the country - but he's got no support and no real chance.

To deny Biden the primary, you need a real primary opponent that can actually draw some fundraising and support. No one who has a credible chance of beating Trump in 2024 would waste their shot like that. Anyone who could beat Trump in 2024 would have a much better chance to win the Presidency in 2028, when it will be an open contest.
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Author: onepoorguy 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The Washington Post, Biden should not
Date: 11/14/2023 3:10 PM
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He's already admitted that this run could cost him his congressional seat. He's still doing it. If he goes seriously negative, he'll nuke his entire career (short though it has been...he first ran in 2018).

He pretty much has no chance unless Biden has a stroke or something. But if he remains positive, I have no problem with him offering an alternative. He has said he will not run as a third party candidate, which is good.
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Subject: Re: The Washington Post, Biden should not
Date: 11/14/2023 3:12 PM
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I think if Republicans run those sorts of ads, it could backfire on them. Trump is almost as old, and has his share of gaffes, too.

He looks and acts younger than Biden.

Elections are a choice. Voters never get the candidate that matches everything they want. They will prefer one candidate on some dimensions, and the other candidate on other dimensions. You want to raise the salience on issues that voters prefer your candidate on.

If age is a factor in a voter's mind, that helps Trump more than it hurts him. I can't imagine there's many voters who believe that age would be a greater liability for Trump's ability to perform the office over the next four years than Biden. Even among Biden supporters. It's a perfect wedge issue for Trump.
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The Washington Post, Biden should not
Date: 11/14/2023 3:30 PM
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"I wonder what's fueling all this FUD about Biden not running. "

Simple. MAGA throws everything against the wall to see what sticks; honesty be damned. Election denial, bogus investigations, false flag operations....they've gone 100% amoral. Winning is the only thing.

Jonathan Rauch wrote about Bannon's philosophy, “This is not about persuasion: This is about disorientation.”

Bannon: “The Democrats don’t matter. The real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit.”

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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The Washington Post, Biden should not
Date: 11/14/2023 3:34 PM
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IMHO, mostly it's venting. At least on the Democratic/progressive side.

I suspect a lot of it isn't actually coming from real Dems/Progs.

Don't overlook black flag ops by MAGAs, interlopers from other nations, with either or both utilizing AI.
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The Washington Post, Biden should not
Date: 11/14/2023 6:13 PM
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I wonder what's fueling all this FUD about Biden not running.

I think it's just attempts to destabilize Biden as a candidate. Saying Biden should drop out, and that he's not making his own decisions, are just attempts to weaken his candidacy. Along with reminding people of other younger candidates, they say he should drop out ( totally unrealistic), raise the specter of Harris becoming President (step down scenario or incapacity), never mentioning both of those scenarios apply to Trump. There will be a steady barrage of this (trial balloons) as the opposition searches for the right combination to weaken Biden. They will save an October surprise to hopefully nudge the undecided away from Biden and to Trump. Comey's letter was unscripted (we think) but was very effective at derailing Hilary and pushing Trump over the edge. Comey helped put Trump across the finish line but was let go because he flunked Trump's loyalty test.
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Author: albaby1 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: The Washington Post, Biden should not
Date: 11/14/2023 6:35 PM
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I suspect a lot of it isn't actually coming from real Dems/Progs.

A lot of it is - and mostly from progressives. I mean, the OP linked an article from one the liberal columnists at the Washington Post. That's not a false flag operation - it's not a MAGA-authored piece that someone submitted by hacking his account.

Progressives who only begrudgingly accepted Biden after their preferred candidate (the also-old Bernie Sanders) was beaten want to make it very clear that if he loses in 2024, that they shouldn't be blamed. That it's Biden's fault. Or the Establishment's fault. Not theirs.

Laying that groundwork now is important, because if Biden loses it may very well be because he bleeds support from the base of the party - young people and black/hispanic voters. Progressives will get blamed for that. Not entirely fairly, because black and hispanic democrats tend to make up the more conservative part of the party base...but even so.
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The Washington Post, Biden should not
Date: 11/14/2023 11:57 PM
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Well, the post just added William Lewis as Editor, and the comments regarding that see him as turning the Post conservative, but I think that may be over reaction. Hard to judge this early. If anyone has followed that and has a good read on the New editor, I'd like to hear it. I don't see any change at all so far.
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Author: ges 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The Washington Post, Biden should not
Date: 11/15/2023 3:31 AM
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I wonder what's fueling all this FUD about Biden not running.

The right is 'flooding the zone with shit' [Bannon]

But why is legitimate media going along? Crazy.
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Author: hclasvegas   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The Washington Post, Biden should not
Date: 11/15/2023 7:36 AM
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Haley on cnbc right now.
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Author: hclasvegas   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The Washington Post, Biden should not
Date: 11/15/2023 7:39 AM
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“” The right is 'flooding the zone with shit' [Bannon]“” Remarkable , Carville, Axelrod, 2/3 of the Dem party etc, all on the right. What a country. 🙏🙏
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