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I guess 50-50 that Trump gets into the Iran thing. I dont think he wants to but ---in the end - he might accept he's inderectly Israel's bitch like most Americans and their leaders are.

We'll know in a few weeks if we lick Liz Cheney's boots or not.

Iran is threatening retaliation - i hope that isn't activating Sheeple Scout cells in America because this time, you don't have George W Bush arning against bloodlust random revenge.

Tribal America could get a bit more interesting. I'm having a weak moment - not sure if i want that all to happen.

I guess 50-50 that Trump gets into the Iran thing. I dont think he wants to

It’s a tempting predicate for invoking the Insurrection Act here at home.

For my part, I have no idea whether Trump gets into it. My guess is that he doesn’t know either.


But the guy who provoked violence in SoCal in order to introduce National Guard and active military on the streets of America will not hesitate to wag the dog as regards Iran.


And the sad thing about it- he doesn’t give a damn about Iran, but he does give a damn about being King of America, and he will use the former as an excuse to insure the latter.

And MOST the MAGA lemmings will cheer him being “tough on Iran”.

But the MAGA coalition is beginning to fray. Things are not hunky dory in MAGA Whoville. Trump sees attacking Iran as a stepping stone to consolidating power here at home, but a prime consequence of attacking Iran will be to discard his campaign promises about “No new wars”, and open up a fissure within his own party.

An old, old story of greed, avarice and stupidity, sowing the seeds of its own destruction.

you don't have George W Bush arning against bloodlust random revenge.

Spankee will try to nuke NYC and hit Florida golf courses....

invoking the Insurrection Act here at home.

Why would he, again?

But the guy who provoked violence in SoCal in order to introduce National Guard and active military on the streets of America will not hesitate to wag the dog as regards Iran.

The riot started BEFORE the Guard showed up. And wag the dog? You *are* aware that the Israelis have the lead on this one, right? They’ve been putting in work for about a week?

The riot started BEFORE the Guard showed up.

The riot (such as it was) was provoked by ICE raids. That was the pretext for sending in the national guard, and that was the plan all along.

And of course Israel took the lead. And they are attempting to drag us into a war. If we are worried about Iran producing nukes, then give Israel the bunkerbusters they’re asking for. But don’t commit US forces. That mess is a sink of quicksand.

And it’s not as if there aren’t warnings flashing.


In a strange echo of the prelude to the Iraq war, we now have TRUMP’s own DNI testifying that there’s no evidence Iran is building a nuclear weapon.

And of course Israel took the lead. And they are attempting to drag us into a war. If we are worried about Iran producing nukes, then give Israel the bunkerbusters they’re asking for. But don’t commit US forces. That mess is a sink of quicksand.

I've heard that the 25,000 lb bombs needed to meaningfully destroy Iran's underground facility can only be delivered by B-52s and there's no way to do that without having U.S. pilots flying them.

Minor quibble...the GBU-57 MOP is 30K lbs (14K kilos), and is designed to penetrate ~200 feet.

Technically, the B52 can carry it, but it isn't certified. Only the B2 is certified.

I don't think any other bomber of any other allied nation could carry it, and we don't sell our bombers to anyone. So, yes, it would involve US pilots.

The riot (such as it was) was provoked by ICE raids.

That’s not what a lot of libs are saying. At any rate, it’s interesting that enforcing the law triggers the left into rioting and that they believe riots are a legit form of protest.

And it’s not as if there aren’t warnings flashing.

Made up stories and innuendo from a loser political party bereft of ideas, morals, standards and integrity don’t make for “”warning signs””.

we don't sell our bombers to anyone.

Do a "rent a bomber" program with Israel. Same as NK did with Russia. Then await the GREAT RUSSIAN SQUAWK for a REAL BELLY LAUGH.

I've heard that the 25,000 lb bombs needed to meaningfully destroy Iran's underground facility can only be delivered by B-52s and there's no way to do that without having U.S. pilots flying them.

I should have snapped to that fact, but didn’t. So here’s the update:

We’ll drop off the bunker busters and leave them on the tarmac.

How they deliver them to Teheran is Israel’s business.

Israel, like the US, has been hijacked by far right ideology And we shouldn’t be following them down the dark hole of an expanding war.

I've heard that the 25,000 lb bombs needed to meaningfully destroy Iran's underground facility can only be delivered by B-52s and there's no way to do that without having U.S. pilots flying them.

Everything I've read said it requires the B2, not the ancient B-52s. But, yes, still only possible with US pilots and planes.

That’s not what a lot of libs are saying.

I’m not getting into a debate over what “some libs” are saying. You’ll always be able to find “some libs” saying just about anything you want them to say, and you, dope, are very skilled at finding them.

Same goes for “some MAGAs.”

Everything I've read said it requires the B2, not the ancient B-52s. But, yes, still only possible with US pilots and planes.

Thanks. I must have misheard.

Interesting that discussion of this new war doesn't bother to mention that it is happening because we had an agreement to limit and monitor Iran's nuclear program,
which even Trump's own aides said was working, and he blew it up because it was negotiated under Obama, and Trump doesn't like Obama because Trump is a birther (racist).

Israel, like the US, has been hijacked by far right ideology

Yup. How dare Da Jooos defend their right to exist. I mean, that’s ridiculous.

Interesting that discussion of this new war doesn't bother to mention that it is happening because we had an agreement to limit and monitor Iran's nuclear program,
which even Trump's own aides said was working, and he blew it up because it was negotiated under Obama, and Trump doesn't like Obama because Trump is a birther (racist).

All true. But that falls under the heading of “coulda, shoulda, woulda”. And unfortunately, history doesn’t allow do overs

Yup. How dare Da Jooos defend their right to exist. I mean, that’s ridiculous.

I’d say Netanyahu is leading Israel closer to annihilation, and since I have vocally supported Israel’s right to exist for the past sixty years, I take offense at your characterization.

I’d say Netanyahu is leading Israel closer to annihilation, and since I have vocally supported Israel’s right to exist for the past sixty years, I take offense at your characterization.

Yeah, don’t care.
Israel doesn’t have to sit there and allow Iran to fire hundreds of ballistic missiles at it all the time. Or allow foreign-backed terrorists to paraglide over the border and violate/carry off their women.

One of the greatest things about Trump being re-elected is that we do t have to put up with the status quo any longer especially when the status quo is really, really stupid.

, I take offense at your characterization.

Yeah, don’t care

Of course you don’t care. The bro-boys can’t be bothered with things like honesty. Tough guys lie and never apologize.

Of course you don’t care.~/i>

Sorry, but you’re now allowed to feign offense given the rhetoric you’ve chosen to use (Nazihitlerhierhierhitler) lately.

this is what happens when larry and shemp meet w/out moe.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/18/te...

MAGA will follow the leader to its inevitable disaster...and then blame curly.

Sorry, but you’re now allowed to feign offense given the rhetoric you’ve chosen to use (Nazihitlerhierhierhitler) lately.

If you don’t want to be called a fascist, stop being a fascist.

Stop fluttering your eyelids when you see a photo of Kristi Noem dressed up like the Beast of Belsen, standing in front of a cage full of prisoners in a Salvadoran torture prison.

Stop cheering violence perpetrated by the regime, especially when that violence is gratuitous

Stop trying to promote the farthest fringes on the left as representative of “the left”, or “liberalism”

These are all characteristics of fascists.

Stop cheering the arrests/detention of Democratic lawmakers (in other words, stop cheering Trump’s game of physical intimidation) The goal is to beat the opposition into silence. Unfortunately for fascists, that never works; it only breeds more opposition and outrage (see “No Kings” 5 to 10 million people in the streets).

Stop using the fascist playbook, and nobody will call you a fascist. There’s still time to save your soul.


Not so much for Donald Trump. Unfortunately, he’s pretty much cooked himself.

If you don’t want to be called a fascist, stop bein

lol. More left wing dinner theater. Do you wear a toga and shout ACTING, Jon Lovitz-style,
too?

Stop trying to promote the farthest fringes on the left as representative of “the left”, or “liberalism”

Nah. Not gonna stop pointing how the democrats - the party of hate and violence - ARE in fact the party of hate and violence.

Don’t like it? Then quit rioting and saying hateful things.

outrage (see “No Kings” 5 to 10 million

“No kings” was 2 lies in one:

A. You people want kings
B. Nobody stopped you from protesting, putting the lie to the fascism BA.

All true. But that falls under the heading of “coulda, shoulda, woulda”. And unfortunately, history doesn’t allow do overs.

Also true but...post-mortems are essential tools for learning, growth, and continuous improvement, they help us to avoid repeating mistakes. (Like listening to Trumps lies.)

"Those who ignore the lesson of the past, will be doomed to repeat it." ~George Santayana

Interesting that discussion of this new war doesn't bother to mention that it is happening because we had an agreement to limit and monitor Iran's nuclear program,
which even Trump's own aides said was working, and he blew it up because it was negotiated under Obama, and Trump doesn't like Obama because Trump is a birther (racist).

I’m sorry, but this commentary is flat out hilarious. Tell me you don’t follow current events without telling me you don’t follow current events.

Here, a start
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-board-dec...

Yeah, Obama’s deal was totally teh awesome.

Unfortunately for fascists, that never works...

Sadly, history says otherwise. Sometimes it works for a long time. All it takes is enough dopes.

Sadly, history says otherwise. Sometimes it works for a long time. All it takes is enough dopes.

It might work for a time, but very few fascist dictators died peacefully in bed.

You’ll always be able to find “some libs” saying just about anything you want them to say, and you, dope, are very skilled at finding them.

Same goes for “some MAGAs.”

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But never a lib, right?

he blew it up because it was negotiated under Obama, = banksy

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That was why huh? fascinating!

Another reason is the sunset clause assured Iran a path to a nuke. and did zero to address rocket delivery systems. But, yeah that Obama sure made a deal....







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You’ll always be able to find “some libs” saying just about anything you want them to say, and you, dope, are very skilled at finding them.

Same goes for “some MAGAs.”

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But never a lib, right?


Nope. Re-read my paragraph above that you quoted

Your question is a high, outside ball. Matter of fact, the catcher had to scramble, and chase the ball down while runners on second and third crossed the plate…… walking.

Giggle.

The Tribal Muftis -- i love how the debate goes - especially at Water's Edge.

More more more!!!!

Sadly King hasn't made a mandatory draft, where the higher 401K balances get drafted first.

Would be lots of fun.

The Tribal Muftis -- i love how the debate goes - especially at Water's Edge.

Maybe Mufti or Emperor is why they say “”No Kings””. They want more of a religious bent to their sovereign.

I got it: the Eternal Mufti of Progressivism.

That’s what the libs want.

Sadly King hasn't made a mandatory draft, where the higher 401K balances get drafted first.

Like that’s going to happen.

Have to wait for Bernie to do that

The thing is…who could be the Grand Mufti of Progressivism?

In one sense it’ll always be Obama…but he can’t be the ruler again until the little d’s figure out how to shred the Constitution some more.

but he can’t be the ruler again until the little d’s figure out how to shred the Constitution some more.

Sez the party trying to figure out a way to keep Trump in the White House. What was that last idea you guys floated? Put up JD Vance to run with Trump as VP. Then JD resigns and Trump becomes president.

Republican accusations really ARE admissions

Sez the party trying to figure out a way to keep Trump in the White House.

lol. That’s happening in the shroom-filled fantasy world that msnbc inhabits. No one else is doing that.

Your party is broke morally,
mentally, intellectually and now…financially! Enjoy.

BTW, it’s like somebody in Trumpworld read my posts on TMF’s PA and Conservative Fools years ago on the blueprints to destroy the democrat party: fire all their Deep State allies and kill ActBlue.

Damn. I’m good.

Bernie is the man that White Self Segregated Bubble Liberals use to feel good about themselves knowing he won't win.

It's a fake thing.

Just like when Bubble Liberals shout "Kings" for a few weeks and then go on to the next meme.


Either way, From Bibi to Vladdy i am glad they know your country is a tribal place, easily divided from within,

Glad to do my small part.

Draft, no draft, - hey - enjoy.

Sadly, people are hoodwinked into enlisting.

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