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- Manlobbi
Halls of Shrewd'm / US Policy
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No. of Recommendations: 3
Then tell me why you would vote for Trump.
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He is NOT Biden.
No. of Recommendations: 2
He is NOT Biden.
So, by implication, you are saying Biden is worse than Trump? More crooked, more corrupt? More, for lack of a better term, more evil?
By your reasoning, if Putin could run you would vote for him because "He is NOT Biden".
No. of Recommendations: 3
>>He is NOT Biden.<<
So, by implication, you are saying Biden is worse than Trump? More crooked, more corrupt? More, for lack of a better term, more evil? - 1pg
You question presumes that the only relevant scale is evilness.
But there is another scale that your side can't acknowledge because on that yardstick Biden comes up way short of Trump. Nothing wrong with that, just something else that we see differently.
No. of Recommendations: 5
bighairymike: But there is another scale that your side can't acknowledge because on that yardstick Biden comes up way short of Trump.
Well, don't keep us in the dark. What did president Trump accomplish that did not require bipartisan congressional support or was not already trending in an upward or downward direction? And not Russia-didn't-invade-Ukraine but real, concrete accomplishments.
Here, I'll give you one: even though Obama set it in motion, Trump gave $100 million to fix the water infrastructure problem in Flint, Michigan.
Of course, Biden would have done so, too; or any president. But credit where credit's due.
Your turn.
No. of Recommendations: 2
He is NOT Biden.
The world wasn’t on fire when he was President before.
No. of Recommendations: 0
bighairymike: But there is another scale that your side can't acknowledge because on that yardstick Biden comes up way short of Trump.
Well, don't keep us in the dark.
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Your turn - CO
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Hmmmm, the ONLY thing you can think of that Trump "may" deserve a molecule of credit is the Flint water supply.
Do you possess any capacity for empathy or understanding the other guy? Why tell me what you think Trumps accomplishment is? That is not interesting at all.
What do think my reason might be? You don't have to and certainly will not agree with it, but can you show you actually have any understanding what motivates those not in your tribe. Your turn.
No. of Recommendations: 10
bighairymike: Hmmmm, the ONLY thing you can think of that Trump "may" deserve a molecule of credit is the Flint water supply.
Well, you gave us nothing so I started the ball rolling: "Here, I'll give you one...".
And you reply by... still giving us nothing.
bighairymike: You don't have to and certainly will not agree with it, but can you show you actually have any understanding what motivates those not in your tribe. Your turn.
Umm, that's why I asked you to be specific.
And while I certainly understand and appreciate policy disagreements and would have no problem with a Haley candidacy (or presidency, for that matter) -- or most any other republican -- Trump is a corrupt con man, a pathological narcissist.
Therefore, I asked you to enlighten me.
And isn't it ironic that you accuse me of lacking "any capacity for empathy" when you support a man who cares for no one but himself and has called American war dead suckers and losers?
BTW, has Trump commented yet on governor Noem shooting her puppy in the face yet? She's gone from VP frontrunner to destroying her political career faster than Gary Hart.
Elise Stefanik must be laughing her ass off.
No. of Recommendations: 10
But there is another scale that your side can't acknowledge because on that yardstick Biden comes up way short of Trump.
What utter nonsense.
Trump's administration was a dumpster fire. Look at the turnover in executive branch positions, with Trump constantly shopping for a servile sycophant to go along with his corrupt intentions. Look at the very harsh criticisms from so many of those who worked with/for him.
He was lazy, couldn't spend the least bit of energy on actually governing. Couldn't be bothered with briefings. Couldn't even be bothered to read the Constitution, and when staff tried to read it TO him he got bored and cut them off. He was a lazy worthless cipher as a POTUS. He was always looking for the grift that could benefit HIM, the country be damned.
Biden has a good executive branch that can actually govern. The difference is like night and day. Trump was worthless and he'll be less than worthless if elected again. He'll be a disaster.
No. of Recommendations: 3
Biden has a good executive branch that can actually govern. - ges
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Govern? The Middle East is on fire, China is eating our lunch, the Southern border is a massive security exposure, chaos on our college campuses, crime (not murder) is rampant in many of our major cities.
Note that it is possible to criticize Biden's Admin without getting into attacks on the person. Try it some time.
No. of Recommendations: 9
"Govern? The Middle East is on fire, China is eating our lunch, the Southern border is a massive security exposure, chaos on our college campuses, crime (not murder) is rampant in many of our major cities."
How are those in any way related to the way Biden governs?
The Pandemic happened during Trump's watch. Do you blame him for it? Double standard?
"Note that it is possible to criticize Biden's Admin without getting into attacks on the person. Try it some time."
Sorry, it hits me personally when cultists continue to destroy a great country with their ignorance. Do better.
No. of Recommendations: 3
>>"Govern? The Middle East is on fire, China is eating our lunch, the Southern border is a massive security exposure, chaos on our college campuses, crime (not murder) is rampant in many of our major cities."<<
How are those in any way related to the way Biden governs? - Umm
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You apparently are not a big believer in "The Buck Stops Here."
No. of Recommendations: 2
BMH
China is eating our lunch,
China isn't eating our lunch.
the Southern border is a massive security exposure,
Nope. Though it has risen recently, crime from migrants is still low.
chaos on our college campuses,
Normal.
crime (not murder) is rampant in many of our major cities."
Nope, still down compared to the 90s.
No. of Recommendations: 2
>>chaos on our college campuses, BMH (better known as BHM)<<
Normal. - Sodylap
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So normal in fact that USC had to cancel its graduation ceremony.
No. of Recommendations: 12
bighairymike:
The Middle East is on fire...Well, lessee, between 2006 and 2013, the US imposed waves of sanctions for the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program, support for terrorism, and human rights abuses and weeks after his election president Hassan Rouhani signaled an interest in a nuclear deal with the world. After two years of negotiations with the world’s six major powers, Iran agreed to a deal limiting its program in exchange for the UN, US, and European Union lifting the sanctions related to its nuclear advances.
Then in 2018 at the urging of the Saudis (who, coincidentally have filled the Trump and Kushner family pockets with billions of dollars) Trump withdrew from the nuclear deal and imposed a “maximum pressure” campaign that included more than 1,500 economic sanctions to force new negotiations. Iran replied: “Even if we ever — impossible as it is — negotiated with the US, it would never ever be with the current US administration.”
Trump ordered the assassination of General Qassem Soleimani, the Quds Force commander.
Iran responded by launching 11 ballistic missiles — each with a 1,000-pound warhead — on US forces based at Al Asad airbase in Iraq. More than 100 suffered traumatic brain injuries.
But, yeah, sure, this is all Biden's fault.
bighairymike:
...China is eating our lunch...China is suffering from persistent deflation, an ongoing crisis in its real estate market, high youth unemployment, long-term population decline, local government debt, a stock market rout and a decline in exports and foreign direct investment.
bighairymike:
...the Southern border is a massive security exposure...And Trump killed legislation that would have had an immediate positive effect on the situation because he wants chaos on the border for a 2024 campaign issue.
bighairymike:
...chaos on our college campuses...Mostly peaceful protests but, yeah, sure, idealistic young people are inclined to protest. Violence has been met with arrests. But there were much more massive protests all across the country during the reign of Orange Jesus.
bighairymike:
...crime (not murder) is rampant in many of our major cities.In fact, the opposite is true.
Crime is down significantly in almost every category -- the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and 2022, with large decreases in the rates of robbery (-74%), aggravated assault (-39%) murder/nonnegligent manslaughter (-34%), a 59% reduction in the U.S. property crime rate, a huge decline in burglary (-75%), larceny/theft (-54%) and even motor vehicle theft (-53%).
And the trend has continued through the first part of 2024.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-economy-f...https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/us-crime...https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24...
No. of Recommendations: 1
bighairymike: ...the Southern border is a massive security exposure...
CO...And Trump killed legislation that would have had an immediate positive effect on the situation because he wants chaos on the border for a 2024 campaign issue.
The Trumpers refuse to acknowledge that the border bill that TRUMP KILLED, because he wanted the border troubles to be something he could campaign on, was the best bet for actually doing something about it.
Their lame response is that that bill wasn't adequate (though endorsed by the Border Patrol). And, of course, Trump is going to give them something much better. And we know how that will go.
No. of Recommendations: 1
So normal in fact that USC had to cancel its graduation ceremony.
Yep, normal.
No. of Recommendations: 4
"Govern? The Middle East is on fire, China is eating our lunch, the Southern border is a massive security exposure, chaos on our college campuses, crime (not murder) is rampant in many of our major cities."<<
How are those in any way related to the way Biden governs? - Umm
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You apparently are not a big believer in "The Buck Stops Here."The middle east has been on fire for thousands of years. It's called religious strife. We used to discuss that on the Atheist Board.
China has been eating ever larger portions of our lunch for fifty years as American/international corporations sought cheap labor and lax regulations...and Americans (left and right) loved it.
Chaos on campuses? a few hundred arrests nation wide? Kent State ring a bell? When does the shooting start?
Crime is rampant. The worst, the most costly, is white collar crime. And the worst part of that is the ability of big money to legalize white collar crime. Presidential immunity? Puhleeeeeze. Duncan Hunter belongs in prison. Trump pardoned him.
https://timesofsandiego.com/politics/2020/12/22/ou...
No. of Recommendations: 4
So normal in fact that USC had to cancel its graduation ceremony.
So what? The grads get to go to the beach instead.
Clutching yer orange pearls?
No. of Recommendations: 3
>>So normal in fact that USC had to cancel its graduation ceremony.<<
So what? The grads get to go to the beach instead. - sano.
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The interviews with impacted students are in the direction of disappointment that they won't have a commencement ceremony to celebrate with family and friends.
No. of Recommendations: 8
You apparently are not a big believer in "The Buck Stops Here."
That reminds me of Trump who NEVER takes responsibility for anything. The buck never stops THERE.
‘I don’t take responsibility at all': Trump deflects blame for coronavirus testing fumble
When in reality he was indeed responsible for a botched response. And he kept effing it up.
No. of Recommendations: 4
The interviews with impacted students are in the direction of disappointment that they won't have a commencement ceremony to celebrate with family and friends.
Impacted?
You claim the world is on fire and a grad day is yer concern?
Ranks right up there with Trump's whining to the judge and Fox about being denied Barron's high school graduation (which hasn't actually been denied), despite blowing off all his other kids grad days.
No. of Recommendations: 14
"You apparently are not a big believer in "The Buck Stops Here.""
I am a big believer in intellectual consistency and honesty.
Did you blame Trump for the pandemic that happened on his watch? Millions died.
You mention chaos on college campuses. Did you ever blame Trump for the chaos surrounding the BLM protests that occurred during his watch? That was much, much worse than what is going on now on college campuses.
Did you blame Trump for the big increases in illegal immigration that happened the first two years of his term (until the pandemic pretty much stopped all immigration)?
Of course not. So it looks like you are not a "The Buck Stops Here" person either, unless it is a Democratic president. Intellectually inconsistent and dishonest.
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I will help you out though. Do you know why you cannot give specific examples of how those are related to Biden and his governance? Because the poor information sources you use do not discuss specific details, they just tell you "Trump Good, Biden bad" and you lap it up like a good little puppy. So that is why you think Trump is better than Biden. When you get into actual detailed discussions (like you did with Albaby on immigration) you get your behind handed to you when it comes to facts and details.
The country can't survive ignorance by its voters. A democracy requires a well-informed populace. Do better.
No. of Recommendations: 3
Did you ever blame Trump for the chaos surrounding the BLM protests that occurred during his watch?
Did you blame Trump for the big increases in illegal immigration that happened the first two years of his term
Did you blame Trump for the pandemic that happened on his watch?
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From the Central Park 5 on, Trump has pretty much endorsed and catered to bigotry.
AMLO will be out soon, but he stopped cooperating with remain in Mexico, his successor may help if we sweeten the pot. But Trump attracted immigrants, even separating families didn't work as well as the pandemic though.
Trump attracts pandemics, and the bird flu is waiting on the horizon. Just needs to make an easier jump to humans, them Trump can deny that one and kill more Americans.
The economy seems well. Inflation is almost in line. Watch those bear catchers. :)
China is doing a good job of alienating nations all by themselves. We seem to finally be creating independent supply lines in areas where we need to preserve IP too. I an talking about not only bringing Chip MFG back, but the government supported partnership to create rare earths in Texas.
