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When you say “I’m winning!”, what does “winning” mean?

The punishment i promised in TMF----is here.

Even you can see it.

Well, maybe even you can see it.

I'm loving it.

(Well, 80% of the time. 20% i get weak and clamor for you people to change course)

Now - its a holding pattern.

Punishment now ----will be more boring, as it becomes more structural. More normalized. More - expected. More a 'way of life' for you people.

it'll eventually feel tranquil but for highlight-reel stuff.


And i'll try to enjoy it certainly.

BUT the next big win is too far down the road.

That's when YouPeople look back at these days as "the good ol days"

BUt yeah, I'm winning.

Boom.

Follow-up query: who are "you people", precisely? Dems? Low-info voters? Comfortable middle-classers? Someone else?

Serious question.

"you people"

All of Club 401K Liberals. Moreso the upscale greedy racist White Liberals as in the TMF kind - versus the ones who are actual Democrats.

But it can also encompass anyone really.

All of Club 401K Liberals. Moreso the upscale greedy racist White Liberals as in the TMF kind - versus the ones who are actual Democrats.k

You may have explained this at one point, but I don't recall seeing it. What exactly is "401K Liberals"? Other than liberals that participate in a 401K (that's sort of a tautology). Lots of conservatives do that, also, so that isn't really a distinct category separate from others (as near as I can tell).

"Upscale white liberals" I can wrap my head around. What about "upscale white conservatives"? Lots of both of those people. In fact, at my former company, there were a lot more "upscale white conservatives" than liberals (and these were mostly college educated white folks, with a disproportionate number -to the overall population of the country- of sub-continent folks thrown in). As near as I can tell, conservatives as a group are more "greedy" than liberals, so I'm trying to parse the specific group you're talking about.

I had a 401K (had to roll it to an IRA when I retired), I'm white, I'm at the tail-end of the "boomers" (I think 1poorlady would not be considered a boomer, and I'm only a year and a half older than she is), I don't think I'm greedy, and I'm most certainly not overtly racist**.

I totally get your rants about addressing pronouns when the voting public is concerned about employment, being able to afford a house, security, etc. But I'm not -yet- connecting with the "club 401K" rants.




**I once heard that everyone is racist to some degree. Which, to me, makes the term almost useless. I do not think anyone is better or worse just because of their heritage/skin-color, and I'm aware that as a white guy born in the early 60s I had a lot of privilege that I wasn't really aware of for most of my life.

Club 401K'er.....

Self segregated into White 401K bubbles while shouting "diversity"

Whining about "tax the rich!" while they love every tax advantage they. can get.

Whining about "fairness" but hate tipping. They'll say "pay a fair wage!!!!" ---not realuzing that the cost gets passed on anyway but they look down on people.

Shouting "$15 an hour" - not realizing it's a meme they started a decade ago - but refuse to up the amount because it ruins the meme....nevermind all the inflation over the years.

They shout "racist!" well BEFORE Trumo when people whined about illegal immigration ------BUT they whine loudly about H1B visa immigrants. They don't want their overpaid white 401K asses to compete with cheap labor -- but poor and middle America have to, replete with school and hospital crowding and resource dilution.

They shout "nativist!" "racist!" and those who had the evil in their hearts to say "let's have more assimilation. A common language, a common culture. The melting pot is great---let's keep it, or it will turn to a mosaic ---and then tribes"---- yet when France, Germany, Austria, and many other of the Europeans they always hold up as examples of enlightnment ban hijabs, demand their language be spoken, their norms be followed----Club 401K is silent.

ENCOURAGING bad culture. And attacking those who speak agianst it. No, not from a "that is sin! you'r going to hell!" angle. BUT - they can't stand when someone pointed out - certain communities have 70% births out of wedlock. The nation has 34% ---by and large it's a ticket to povery and prison, and financial desperation and stress and the ensuing things that happen from said stress. That while we can't mandate family ---we CAN, via dialogue encourage it---versus this hodge podge shit that is costing the sytstem money, When people said that THIS cultural breakdown will drain money from other important things - Club 401K shouted "racist!" "extreme!" and persinally attacked --- well, now their stupid ass education, climate, etc---is seeing funds stripped away :)

OnePoorGuy, these are just a few examples.

Basically go to Whole Foods, Yoga class, they'll be there. Go to their self segregated enclaves - they're there.

You asked, I answered. Disclosure: I don't care any more - now i want these bad things to happen, and i am elated they are happening.

They shout "nativist!" "racist!" and those who had the evil in their hearts to say "let's have more assimilation. A common language, a common culture. The melting pot is great---let's keep it, or it will turn to a mosaic ---and then tribes"---- yet when France, Germany, Austria, and many other of the Europeans they always hold up as examples of enlightnment ban hijabs, demand their language be spoken, their norms be followed----Club 401K is silent.

ENCOURAGING bad culture. And attacking those who speak agianst it. No, not from a "that is sin! you'r going to hell!" angle. BUT - they can't stand when someone pointed out - certain communities have 70% births out of wedlock. The nation has 34% ---by and large it's a ticket to povery and prison, and financial desperation and stress and the ensuing things that happen from said stress. That while we can't mandate family ---we CAN, via dialogue encourage it---versus this hodge podge shit that is costing the sytstem money, When people said that THIS cultural breakdown will drain money from other important things - Club 401K shouted "racist!" "extreme!" and persinally attacked --- well, now their stupid ass education, climate, etc---is seeing funds stripped away :)

OnePoorGuy, these are just a few examples.

Basically go to Whole Foods, Yoga class, they'll be there. Go to their self segregated enclaves - they're there.

You're describing the White Savior Complex. It's one of the most subtle, yet pervasive forms of racism the left has left. They've learned not to shout the n-word out loud like they used to: Now, they just assume that all minorities are completely helpless and can't do anything without The Great White liberal Savior to come along and teach them.

Things like

*Getting IDs - no way we can mandate them because everybody knows minorities don't have ID
*Higher academic standards in schools - no way they meet that
*Expect people to follow the rules when entering the country - that's racist

On and on. MORE government programs because all The Little People are incapable of figuring anything out themselves.

And let us not forget....

Haughty White Racist 401K Liberals do *not* want Americans, especially poorer or black Americans to have a CHOICE where they can send their kids to school.

They will shout "fund education!"----but happily know that they've owned one more generation of slaves.

When the shit hits the fan - those who are creative, and can relate to all sorts of people need to point the angry people----towards Club 401K. For real.

;)

You asked, I answered.

Yes I did.

So, it seems you're railing against hypocrisy. I don't think you'd find much objection from the folks here (or the ones I know in real life).

But are you only concerned about leftist hypocrisy? The right is at least as bad (IMO, worse...one of several reasons I stopped being a Republican). You only rarely call them out on it (I can think of a few instances on this board...I don't know about TMF since I seldom visited PA).

As a quibble, I don't think it's hypocrisy to follow the law with respect to tax breaks. I may not think a specific break is a good idea, but I would be foolish not to use it for as long as it exists. For example, I think they should remove the step-up basis on inherited assets. But I got it when 1poormom died. At the same time, I don't complain about having to distribute her IRA within 10 years. I think that's more than fair, even if I don't really want to do it. If I had the choice, I wouldn't. But it does make sense to force me to do it, and I can see that. So no complaint.

Haughty White Racist 401K Liberals do *not* want Americans, especially poorer or black Americans to have a CHOICE where they can send their kids to school.


Probably deserves its own thread. But I'll respond briefly, and am more than happy to chat about it further later (if you want).

I am totally against vouchers, or similar programs. The public education system was one of the best ideas we ever had, and it worked remarkably well for half a century. It wasn't perfect, but no system would be. Sure, one perk of wealth is that you can pay for private schools. Poorer people (black or non-black) wouldn't have that option. I certainly didn't when I was young (I was one of the original "latch-key" kids, divorced mom struggling to put food on the table, etc). But the vouchers take away funding from schools, making it more difficult for them to succeed (or even keep up with basics like facilities). Further, most of those voucher schools pick and choose whom they accept, while public schools have to accept everyone no matter what issues they may have (e.g. behavioral, special needs, etc). Which then allows them to tout "higher performance" because they preselected their student population to maximize that metric.

And don't get me started on religious schools that teach stultifying nonsense in place of science and history.

Haughty White Racist 401K Liberals do *not* want Americans, especially poorer or black Americans to have a CHOICE where they can send their kids to school.

It's not clear to me what is leading you make this statement, and I'm curious to know.

(I've worked for the past 30 years at a private school, where among my duties was working in financial aid.)

I asked someone the other day about what they meant by "401K liberal" and didn't get a reply. Maybe we should reply to those who use that term with a demand for a definition. If they don't respond with a sensible answer then block them.

Wilton/Jedi/Echota is also a liar...
For example: the time he told us he lived with his Mom and lost his job at Target. (Under his other alias Wilton.)

"It wasn't making me rich but I was putting in my 40 hours at Target. Made $17 bucks an hour, manager was chill, some of my peoples working there were whack but it was no worries.
I would walk from my Mom's house and didn't need a car payment. Now because of all the people stealing stuff the store closed. I lost my job but the people taking stuff aren't in trouble.
After my unemployment starts showing up on my phone, I'm gonna start taking stuff too. Why not, other people are allowed to do it." ~Dishonest Jedi/Wilton/Ecocktasheep

https://www.shrewdm.com/MB?pid=939216458

That's when I put him on the ignore list.

Replying to no one in particular…

I would describe myself as left-of-center in US terms, but not far left. Def more BC than AOC. More Angus than Bernie.

But I love reading what Dope and LM and Jedi are thinking.

Not to be too Pollyanna but when people stay respectful, respond with interesting links, avoid gratuitous insults, delineate their thinking, this is a pretty informative place to be.

Self segregated into White 401K bubbles while shouting "diversity"

Lots aren't, but my wife goes by what the neighborhood looks like - how run down it looks.

Whining about "tax the rich!" while they love every tax advantage they. can get.

Perhaps you can describe it better, but I have no problem with that.

Whining about "fairness" but hate tipping. I haven't seem that Jedi.

They'll say "pay a fair wage!!!!" ---not realuzing that the cost gets passed on anyway but they look down on people.

Interesting, you actually think 401kers don't realize an increase in wages will be passed along. Who is looking down on who now, Jedi?

Shouting "$15 an hour" - not realizing it's a meme they started a decade ago - but refuse to up the amount because it ruins the meme....nevermind all the inflation over the years. I think that's there because California actually did it. And it seems to have worked out better than we thought.

They shout "racist!" well BEFORE Trumo when people whined about illegal immigration

That's because you are racist.

------BUT they whine loudly about H1B visa immigrants. They don't want their overpaid white 401K asses to compete with cheap labor -- but poor and middle America have to, replete with school and hospital crowding and resource dilution.

Actually, they do have to compete. 10 best countries for offshore development

Poland
Ukraine
Croatia
Czech Republic
Romania
India
Vietnam
China
Argentina
Brazil

I think that's one of the reasons developers work long hours.

They shout "nativist!" "racist!" and those who had the evil in their hearts to say "let's have more assimilation. A common language, a common culture. The melting pot is great---let's keep it, or it will turn to a mosaic ---and then tribes"---- yet when France, Germany, Austria, and many other of the Europeans they always hold up as examples of enlightnment ban hijabs, demand their language be spoken, their norms be followed----Club 401K is silent.

Not me. "For them, the burqa or chador is both a symbol of religious obscurantism and the oppression of women. In their view, Western Enlightenment values require prohibition, regardless of whether a woman has freely chosen Islamic dress" It is still a puzzle, but when I was in Paris, I saw quite a few hijabs. I haven't seen any since I returned to the USA, but I also am not looking for them. Language, the French language, you are some kinda naive rube if you don't understand that one.

ENCOURAGING bad culture. And attacking those who speak agianst it. No, not from a "that is sin! you'r going to hell!" angle. BUT - they can't stand when someone pointed out - certain communities have 70% births out of wedlock. The nation has 34% ---by and large it's a ticket to povery and prison, and financial desperation and stress and the ensuing things that happen from said stress. That while we can't mandate family ---we CAN, via dialogue encourage it---versus this hodge podge shit that is costing the sytstem money, When people said that THIS cultural breakdown will drain money from other important things - Club 401K shouted "racist!" "extreme!" and persinally attacked --- well, now their stupid ass education, climate, etc---is seeing funds stripped away :)


Top 10 Countries with the Most Out of Wedlock Births
COUNTRY % OF BIRTHS BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK
Chile 75.1%
Costa Rica 72.5%
Mexico 70.4%
Iceland 69.4%
France 62.2%
Bulgaria 59.6%
Norway 58.5%
Portugal 57.9%
Slovenia 56.5%
Sweden 55.2%

Look at Iceland, France, Norway, and Sweden - it's not just us. All those countries must have terrible culture by you.

So you're consumed by resentment and disdain Jedi. Not a good place to be. Schadenfreude? I try not to practice it. Adios

Wilton/Jedi/Echota is also a liar...
For example: the time he told us he lived with his Mom and lost his job at Target. (Under his other alias Wilton.)

"It wasn't making me rich but I was putting in my 40 hours at Target. Made $17 bucks an hour, manager was chill, some of my peoples working there were whack but it was no worries.
I would walk from my Mom's house and didn't need a car payment. Now because of all the people stealing stuff the store closed. I lost my job but the people taking stuff aren't in trouble.
After my unemployment starts showing up on my phone, I'm gonna start taking stuff too. Why not, other people are allowed to do it." ~Dishonest Jedi/Wilton/Ecocktasheep

https://www.shrewdm.com/MB?pid=939216458

That's when I put him on the ignore list.
***

Genius.

I was making a point -- illustrating how i am happy angry young people will be violent against you and cause a drain.

I was making an example. A story. That was clear.

Another liar..... lol today's Trump dedicated to you.

OnePoorGuy - ask the Righties here. I've lambasted my own side, over and over agian but since you're one of the few who don't attack me personally here's just a few things I've said REPEATEDLY on my side. (And in future when IU say stuff, please know i'm NOT directing it at you --you've never done anything but converse with me civily and i'm thankful for that).


"America First" - but we want to take health care away from Americans.

"America First" - but we want Europe and China to take ouur lead in science, pharma, etc.

Many on my side spend a day a week in church - spend 6 other days mother-effing the entire human race.

*"Pro Life!" - yet it's OUR Red States....who need more abortions. BTW RedStates love porn subscriptions and STD's also. The bible shit doesn't work.

We wave the flag......we love saying "resolve" "courage!" "support the trouups" --- yet it's DEMOCRATS who do more for Veterans -- stuff that is beyond waving a flag, ie funding health, mental, other stuff.

We shout "pro life" - "god's childeren deserve life" - yet we don't want to THEN help fund god's kids to see a doctor, get mediccine, or get preschool.

OH, Obama or Biden do something military - and we shout "exit strategy" "what is endgame"----- but in Iraq, we waved a flag the whole time.

OnePoorGuy - have i bluntly named some hypocrisy on my own side? Decide how many people you see on this board who do that - right or left ;)

Haughty White Racist 401K Liberals do *not* want Americans, especially poorer or black Americans to have a CHOICE where they can send their kids to school.

It's not clear to me what is leading you make this statement, and I'm curious to know.

(I've worked for the past 30 years at a private school, where among my duties was working in financial aid.)
***

If the Liberals here will say

"I support, right now, taking the per pupil money we spend, and giving it to parents for charter, religious, or private school choice" - I hereby shut up on the issue and joyfully say i'm wrong.

Haughty White Racist 401K Liberals do *not* want Americans, especially poorer or black Americans to have a CHOICE where they can send their kids to school.

Again with the Schadenfreude. My perception is that a voting block called Southern Baptist type Evangelicals and other racist types don't want their kids growing up with blacks and Latinos in their schools. As a kid growing up in schools populated by military kids, we had representations from a lot of ethnicities. And my neighborhood in Florida seems integrated, it's working class with some Latinos and blacks.

I can't blame parents when they move to a neighborhood for better schools and get upset when the ratings go down due to forced integration, but the private schools aren't any better than the public schools - so what did everyone gain?

Jimmy Carter finally abandoned the Evangelicals. I was out of the states and too young to realize/understand the Civil Rights movement, but I have a vivid recollection of going to a drive in as a kid and seeing the colored entrance sign and seeing the fenced off section in the back. There's hypocrisy on both sides, but it's easy to find hypocrisy where it isn't because of confirmation bias.

You want libs punished and that constitutes winning, but nobody is winning right now. The fact is, the great tell about what has been going on is that wages and taxes have been forced down on the middle and lower classes. Y'all vote against your interests and it's your resentments, your fears, your spite, fanned by politicians who don't serve you. Everybody feels it, but Trump wants to give the rich tax breaks. If you do get a tax break it's not for long, they put a sunset on it, and you'll be happy and cheer!

I'm just crossing my fingers that things don't get too bad. We'll get more bombing, etc.

Lapsody.....

"I support taking the per pupil expense, and giving that money to parents, especially black and poor....to pick another school"

Is that your position?

Or are you with the racist evangelicals?

It's amazing how nobody reads my posts.

:)

Friends, you'll go further into debt today, your democracy will decline just a bit more. Your culture too . Your society will get a tad more tribal today.

And all of it will not only hold you back in many arenas (past your little 401K statement)....but it will cause more mayhem like you never thought possible.

I openly do my tiny part to egg it on when i can not here ---but other forums and in real life :)

I love this so much.

Keep it up!

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