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…and another Squad member goes down!
Excellent.

Dope1: …and another Squad member goes down!

Hhmmm. How is this possible when the democrats, as you claim, are the pro-Hamas tent parties party?

Of course, they're nothing of the kind and have ousted Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman while the GOP celebrates Paul Gosar, Matt Gaetz, MTG, Lauren Boebert, Andy Biggs, Jim Jordan, and Andy Ogles.

Hhmmm. How is this possible when the democrats, as you claim, are the pro-Hamas tent parties party?

Because I grew up in the district that Bush represents and the people there are better than, you know, you.
Let's ask Josh Shapiro how your fellow travelers like Da Jooooooooos.

BTW here's what she said afterwards:
https://x.com/MarkMaxwellTV/status/182105822895376...

Cori Bush defiant in defeat: "All they did was radicalize me, so now they need to be afraid."

"They about to see this other Cori, this other side," she said. "AIPAC, I'm coming to tear your kingdom down."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA.

I told you so. I'm going to keep rubbing your nose in this for as long as you continue to post like you do.

And just to put a fine point on who Bush represents:

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/government-pol...

The 1st Congressional District, which includes all of St. Louis and much of north St. Louis County, is solidly Democratic and about 50% African American. A Republican hasn’t represented the district in more than 50 years.
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Bush’s district includes several municipalities with a substantial Jewish population, including University City, Creve Coeur, Olivette and part of Clayton.

It's always hysterical reading liberal posts whining about diversity or whatever. I grew up in and maintain ties to far more diversity than 99% of the clowns who bleat about the subject.

If you are white or male or jewish - you need to be self hating for the Left to accept you.


If you are to those things, they'll only count you with them if you throw flowers are their feet and do as your told, and fully give credit for your accomplishments to them, Mazza Liberal.


As the Squad is finding out, as Buffalo Springfield said "Step out of line, the man, come and take you away".


Liberals - started with John Lennon. Now pissed on his grave and spoon with Goldman Sachs instead.

They hate that they are sellouts.

" Cori Bush loses, then pledges to go after Jews who she blames." Dersh,

https://open.substack.com/pub/dersh/p/cori-bush-lo...

Hothead won't amount to much.

People with skill and diplomacy and cultural awareness need to start at kitchen table gatherings, and organize. Build bridges. Get people to look beyond ancient differences in the name of the big picture.

I am convinced based on real dialogues - it's possible to an extent. The younger ones are easier to talk to about this than the older ones.

Think Blue. Talk Blue.

hclasvegas: " Cori Bush loses, then pledges to go after Jews who she blames." Dersh,

Which is one of the reasons democrats voted her out of office. Too bad republicans won't clean their side of the House in the same way (Gosar, Greene, Boebert, Gaetz, etc).

Too bad republicans won't clean their side of the House in the same way (Gosar, Greene, Boebert, Gaetz, etc).

One of the stark contrasts between parties. The GOP condones corruption and crime if they can hold onto power that way. Dems don't do it near so much.

Which is one of the reasons democrats voted her out of office

Antisemitism is "marbled" into your party. In other words it's a part of the basic fiber of who the democrats are.

Antisemitism is "marbled" into your party. In other words it's a part of the basic fiber of who the democrats are.

That’s so odd. Because I took a count and found:

House Democrats who are Jewish: 24
House Republicans who are Jewish: 2

Senate Democrats who are Jewish: 8
Senate Republicans who are Jewish: 0

I don’t think your math is mathing, or your perceptions percepting, or your brain braining.

"That’s so odd. Because I took a count and found: House Democrats who are Jewish: 24 House Republicans who are Jewish: 2
Senate Democrats who are Jewish: 8 Senate Republicans who are Jewish: 0
I don’t think your math is mathing, or your perceptions percepting, or your brain braining."

LOL Another MAGA conspiracy theory shot to hell. On to the next one!

SSDD

PS: Neo-Nazis explain why they LOVE Donald Trump...

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/8/...

Antisemitism is "marbled" into your party. In other words it's a part of the basic fiber of who the democrats are.

What a topsy turvy, upside down world you live in. You must feel dizzy.

And the strain of living with so much cognitive dissonance!

That’s so odd.

I agree. In today's society antisemitism has no place. And yet...one major party is actively encouraging that sort of thing inside its ranks.

Why do you support such a party?

In today's society antisemitism has no place. And yet...one major party is actively encouraging that sort of thing inside its ranks.

Would that be the party of "fine people on both sides"? The one whose Presidential candidate attracted support from white supremacists, neo-notsees, and the KKK in 2016? And sort of half-heartedly denounced them, but only after a firestorm arose because he failed to denounce them clearly a couple of days before?

That party?

My memory may be getting faulty, but I'm pretty sure that was the Republicans.

--Peter

In today's society antisemitism has no place. And yet...one major party is actively encouraging that sort of thing inside its ranks. - Dope

Would that be the party of "fine people on both sides"? The one whose Presidential candidate attracted support from white supremacists, neo-notsees, and the KKK in 2016? And sort of half-heartedly denounced them, but only after a firestorm arose because he failed to denounce them clearly a couple of days before? - Pete

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-...

No, Trump Did Not Call Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists 'Very Fine People'

No, Trump Did Not Call Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists 'Very Fine People'

Indeed. Some folks lie to themselves before they lie to others. There’s Exhibit A.

Perhaps if he got his news from reputable sources he’d know that Trump’s son in law is Jewish.

You might want to read what posted a bit more closely, as well as what is in your link.

Here’s what snopes says:

In a news conference after the rally protesting the planned removal of a Confederate statue, Trump did say there were "very fine people on both sides," referring to the protesters and the counterprotesters.

In fairness, he said this at the same time.

He said in the same statement he wasn't talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists, who he said should be "condemned totally."<\i>

So he said exactly what I claimed he said.

In reality, one side was neo-nazis and white supremacists. So why say there were fine people on both sides in the first place? My opinion is that he just says what he thinks people want to hear. He’s morally adrift, with no actual morals at all.

So he will say something nice about anyone and everyone, just to garner favor with them.

In this case, he called white supremacists both “fine people” and something to be condemned. So which is it? You can argue both sides from a single statement - as we are doing here.

*That* is why I say he is morally adrift, and will do or say anything at any time about anyone.

—Peter

He said in the same statement he wasn't talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists, who he said should be "condemned totally."

So he said exactly what I claimed he said. - pete

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Yep, but he did not mean what your side needed for it mean. In fact, at that time, he specifically excluded the very people you say he was talking about.

BTW, "Hands Up, Don't Shoot".

but he did not mean what your side needed for it mean.

How do you know that? He spoke out of both sides of his mouth at the same time. Why do you dismiss one statement and cling to the other?

--Peter

LOL Another MAGA conspiracy theory shot to hell. On to the next one!

But it's never "on to the next one". They just throw the old ones back at you, even when they are eviscerated. They were on about non-existent voter fraud for years, and now they are claiming anti-semitism riddles the Dem party. No matter how much data you give them that voter fraud is not significant (and, ironically, when it does happen it is a right-wing thing), they come right back to it. Now it's "Dems hate Jews", even though more Jews are Dems than Reps (both in the population at large, and in Congress).

This won't make a dent in their armor of ignorance, but I'll post it anyway:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews_in_pol....

In the 2016 Election, 71% of Jews voted for the Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton over the eventual winner Donald Trump. In a 2018 poll, 71% of American Jews disapproved of Donald Trump's job as president, with only 26% approving—being the lowest approving religious group among those surveyed.[12]

Now it's "Dems hate Jews", even though more Jews are Dems than Reps (both in the population at large, and in Congress).

This won't make a dent in their armor of ignorance, but I'll post it anyway: - 1pg

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Not every body. I definitely softened my view after reading Albaby's observation the other day when he said...

"Again, Jews tend to thrive in a society with a strong commitment to a secular government, that values discrete minorities without pressuring them to assimilate to majority norms, and that emphasizes the norm of acceptance and tolerance over cultural or societal purity. Which are generally more left-wing, rather than right-wing, values. "

That really struck home with me, rationally explaining the reason behind Jews skewing Dem when they vote, something that previously mystified me.

"Again, Jews tend to thrive in a society with a strong commitment to a secular government, that values discrete minorities without pressuring them to assimilate to majority norms, and that emphasizes the norm of acceptance and tolerance over cultural or societal purity. Which are generally more left-wing, rather than right-wing, values. "

That really struck home with me, rationally explaining the reason behind Jews skewing Dem when they vote, something that previously mystified me.

And al is just
Flat.
Out.
Wrong.

Which political party openly seeks to squash the rights of the other to communicate? Nah, he's sticking his head in the tiger's mouth. All I can say is, Good Luck.

Which political party openly seeks to squash the rights of the other to communicate?

Why do you think that's an especially relevant issue? Judaism isn't a proselytizing religion - it's actually quite discouraged. Democrats aren't doing anything to "squash" the rights of Jews to communicate with each other.

Jews, like most religious minorities, are going to be better off in a society with a secular government and a thick high wall separating church and state. We're going to be better off in a society where discrete minority groups are not under pressure to assimilate to majority norms, where community values prioritize acceptance of different cultures and faiths rather than cultural or religious purity. We're not likely to be part of a team that emphasizes increasing the degree of religiosity in spaces that are currently secular - because that's far more likely to turn out poorly for us than not.

So we vote more liberal than conservative - perhaps more than any other demographic group in the U.S. Because we know which party's vision of America is one that's better for historically disfavored religious minorities - and it's not the party that wants to put up the Ten Commandments in public classrooms...

Why do you think that's an especially relevant issue?

Weren't you the one who said
Again, Jews tend to thrive in a society with a strong commitment to a secular government, that values discrete minorities without pressuring them to assimilate to majority norms, and that emphasizes the norm of acceptance and tolerance over cultural or societal purity. Which are generally more left-wing, rather than right-wing, values.

If you think the democrats care about protecting your rights and your identity, boy are you in for a rude shock. The party orients itself towards the Strong Horse of intersectionality - meaning, which 'victim' group is the biggest, the loudest, and has the most energy? And which one represents the biggest potential gain in demographics?

That group...ain't you.

You've BADLY misjudged both your "enemies" and the political party that you're in bed with. Good luck with that.

PS. We're going to have this conversation again in October, when the campus protests heat back up and Harris/Walz are out there sympathizing with their messaging.

If you think the democrats care about protecting your rights and your identity, boy are you in for a rude shock. The party orients itself towards the Strong Horse of intersectionality - meaning, which 'victim' group is the biggest, the loudest, and has the most energy? And which one represents the biggest potential gain in demographics?

I don't think I'm in for a rude shock. I'm not naive enough to think that either party is perfect, completely devoid of illiberal elements that will favor certain identity groups over others. Nothing in this world is perfect or pure. The fact that Democrats aren't perfect for Jews doesn't make Republicans better.

Sure, I don't like the fact that the Democratic coalition includes folks who adhere to a fervent belief that Israel is a settler-colonial state. But they're a much smaller part of the coalition than the evangelical and born-again Christians who strongly oppose the separation of church and state, and believe it's important to vastly increase the degree of religiosity in now-secular spaces. And the latter is a much more dangerous value for Jews than the former.

Democrats aren't as hostile to campus protestors as Republicans. That's certainly true. But it doesn't tilt the balance away from progressive values being generally better for Jews than conservative values.

You've BADLY misjudged both your "enemies" and the political party that you're in bed with. Good luck with that.

Perhaps it is you that has badly misjudged what Democrats actually represent and that some minorities (Jews, blacks, etc.) know from experience exactly who will best protect their rights and identities.

If you think the democrats care about protecting your rights and your identity, boy are you in for a rude shock. The party orients itself towards the Strong Horse of intersectionality - meaning, which 'victim' group is the biggest, the loudest, and has the most energy? And which one represents the biggest potential gain in demographics?

You can't make a good case for the Republican Party protecting people's rights when they are the party that is favored by neo-Nazis, white supremacists and intolerant bigots of every sort.

From a book for which JD Vance wrote a blurb and warmly endorsed:

“Our study of history has brought us to this conclusion: Democracy has never worked to protect innocents from the unhumans,” write Posobiec and Lisec.-- A perfect inversion of reality; democracy is the only form of government that protects the innocents.

The only people the MAGA party will protect are the super rich and powerful. You want a Putin style oligarchy? Vote for Trump.

I don't think I'm in for a rude shock. I'm not naive enough to think that either party is perfect, completely devoid of illiberal elements that will favor certain identity groups over others. Nothing in this world is perfect or pure. The fact that Democrats aren't perfect for Jews doesn't make Republicans better.

One party is actively catering to a fast-growing minority that doesn't necessarily have a warm fuzzy for the Torah. Which one of them is that?

But they're a much smaller part of the coalition than the evangelical and born-again Christians who strongly oppose the separation of church and state, and believe it's important to vastly increase the degree of religiosity in now-secular spaces. And the latter is a much more dangerous value for Jews than the former.

Uh, huh.
So you're under the impression that the Evangelicals are dictating to the GOP this and that.

Right.

So tell me: how many synagogues have been banned in places like Florida, Texas and Louisiana?

You should bear in mind that if asked, every single Evangelical will answer "JudeoChristian" when asked "What principles were the founding documents of the United States based on?"

But it doesn't tilt the balance away from progressive values being generally better for Jews than conservative values.

Heh. You're going to find out soon that "progressive values" == "whatever gets us and keeps us in power".

You may ask yourself this. How come the Party of Muh Democracy just threw away the will of 14 million voters?

Not every body. I definitely softened my view after reading Albaby's observation the other day when he said...

Of course not everybody. I was referring to right-wing dittoheads and MAGAites in general. There will always be some amongst them (or any identifiable group) that will be exceptions.

That really struck home with me, rationally explaining the reason behind Jews skewing Dem when they vote, something that previously mystified me.

Out of curiosity, why did it mystify you? While bigots come in all political stripes, it is the Reps whom are favored by the KKK and other white supremacists. The tiki-torch marchers chanting about replacement theory were not progressives. Those are the folks that emphasize racial purity, often superimposing xian biases in the process.

Today's Dem party isn't the same party as George Wallace and Robert Byrd. The Dems (especially LBJ) pushed through the CRA, and the Dems lost the South. In that respect, it isn't really about party affiliation. It's about where you live and the regional history. The South has a history of white supremacism and racism. They fell-out with the Dem Party mostly because of the CRA. The Reps welcomed them into their ranks, and started winning elections (e.g. Nixon, who first used that strategy). George Wallace would have nothing to do with the Dem Party today, if he were alive.

Perhaps Jews would have voted Rep before 1964. I don't know (maybe albaby does?). But today, if you want religious and ethnic tolerance, you vote Dem.**



**Again, that is an identifiable group, so there are always exceptions. Perhaps the Palestinian-American rep in the House is one, but she's vastly in the minority about that.

Perhaps if he got his news from reputable sources he’d know that Trump’s son in law is Jewish.

Donald Trump did not marry a Jew. Donald Trump's daughter married a Jew. Donald Trump was a racist bigot before that wedding, and a racist bigot after that wedding. |

Trump has not changed one whit since the days he settled on charges the Trumps were violating anti-discrimination rules wrt to renting to people of color.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/don...

You may ask yourself this. How come the Party of Muh Democracy just threw away the will of 14 million voters?

Well, it might have something to do with the fact that the guy who got over 14 million votes decided to put the nation’s interests ahead of his personal interests. I admire Joe Biden and wanted him to continue in the race. And boy, was I wrong. Thankfully, Biden had the political smarts and courage to realize that he needed to voluntarily give up power. Shades of George Washington and Nancy Pelosi. It’s a very rare politician that puts national interests in front of personal interests.

That, and the Democrats rapidly coalesced around the person he endorsed to replace him.

So while you complain about Democrat voters, the Democrat voters seem pretty energized by Biden’s brave decision.

Hope that helps.

How come the Party of Muh Democracy just threw away the will of 14 million voters?

Maybe because you enjoy being lied to and it was exactly the opposite - the party respected the will of 14 million voters.


SNIP 5. Legitimacy: The Biden-Harris ticket won 14 million votes and swept the (largely uncontested) primaries.

She's the only potential candidate who can claim to have won her party's backing at the ballot box, rather than in a backroom or on a convention floor. SNIP

And Albaby told you this up front. She was primaried along with Biden, so she's legitimate.

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/18/biden-drop-out-el...

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