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Author: albaby1 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: MAGA is a Group, Not a Philosophy
Date: 06/03/2025 2:02 PM
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A reporter finds out the hard way that MAGA is not principally a collection of ideas or a philosophy, but refers instead the group of people lead by Trump:

The former chief Pentagon correspondent for conservative outlet One America News Network (OANN) said she was fired from her position after criticizing Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth in a Substack post on Memorial Day.

A self-described “MAGA girl,” Gabrielle Cuccia began her post last week by stressing that “I was (and still am) unapologetically defiant in my support for President Trump.”


https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5330315-reporte...

I mean, this should be obvious. MAGA is a label, a brand, a descriptor. It's whatever collection of policy proposals that the President believes should be implemented. Think about it - a sentence like, "President Trump proposes a policy that contradicts MAGA" doesn't scan as an actual sentence - President Trump can't be doing something that goes against MAGA, because MAGA is defined by his policies.

So when Cuccia wrote in her Substack:

Somewhere along the way, we as a collective decided — if anyone ever questioned a policy or person within the MAGA movement — that they weren’t MAGA enough.

That they were deep state, that they couldn’t be trusted, that they didn’t love America as much as we do, and that … to put it bluntly, they sucked.

We’d kick ‘em out and remain skeptical for life and for theirs.

We became the polar of our ethos — to ask questions, to debate, to challenge each other and our ideals.

I will always be MAGA, but consider this a love letter to what we have lost, what we must regain, and my final plea to Love Your Country, Not Your Government.


https://gabriellecuccia.substack.com/p/the-secreta...

...she was fundamentally missing the point. You can't "be MAGA" if you're publicly criticizing the choices being made by a high-ranking cabinet official. MAGA is a group effort, a description of a team of people.... not an "ethos" that exists independent of the people who make up MAGA. There may come a time down the road when that's no longer the case, when the people who make up MAGA have moved on and people clamor to have the MAGA brand apply to something else. But right now, the label describes a movement of men, not a "ethos" that you get to decide that those men are violating.
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Author: weatherman   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: MAGA is a Group, Not a Philosophy
Date: 06/03/2025 4:49 PM
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can any true MAGA be forgiven if not keeping up-to-the-minute on trump's policies and favored cronies?
and on multiple reversals and absolute contradictions in such?

which opens up the question, in what form will MAGA survive post-trump?
racism, anti-stem, irrationality, and gullibility is not going away. there will be plenty that try to 'carry the flag' for trump, or some such idiotic rally point.
after all , its still the post-teaparty gop.

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Author: albaby1 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: MAGA is a Group, Not a Philosophy
Date: 06/03/2025 6:16 PM
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which opens up the question, in what form will MAGA survive post-trump?

Well, a fair amount of MAGA has a lot in common with right-wing populism generally. That's been resurgent throughout western democracies, and we've seen strong growth in those parties all over Europe. So it may be that we see the GOP semi-permanently move towards that kind of right-wing populist approach, and call that "MAGA" instead of that more generic label.

A moment to descend into semantics. "MAGA" is the brand name for Trump's political footprint. There can't really be a MAGA without Trump, because it's a label for what Trump wants to do and campaigns on and picks his people on. The mistake that the author I referred to in the OP made was in not realizing that: MAGA is distinct from the political philosophy that we might call right-wing populism, but is instead a label for Donald Trump's policy goals, personnel preferences, and political machine.

That aside, I think that the GOP could either move more permanently into right-wing populism - or it might go back to the business-friendly austerity party it used to be. Trump's been able to force the party away from that faction of the party pretty successfully...but solely based on his personal political power and brand. He's a uniquely attractive figure among the base, and because he was able to accumulate all that power by himself rather than as part of or the head of a broader movement, all of that "because Trump said so" resolution of internal factional fights disappears the moment he does. And because Trump's not a party apparatus guy, it's all personal to him and will stay personal to him.

Which means that once Trump is replaced with JD Vance (or whoever is his putative "heir"), the cohesion disappears. Chip Roy has to kind of listen to Donald Trump - he doesn't have to listen to JD Vance.
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Subject: Re: MAGA is a Group, Not a Philosophy
Date: 06/03/2025 9:04 PM
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group = cult
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