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No. of Recommendations: 1
He answers most of you right here:
https://x.com/townhallcom/status/19169352396302093...Question: "Is it the best use of the administration's resources to be going after moms of young kids?"
Right there, that's the left's loaded premise and the talking point you people repeat ad nauseum here and elsewhere.
Miller:
Let's say Biden let in 10,000,000 illegal aliens into the country. What percentage of those 10,000,000 do you think should stay?
Is it your view that if a Democrat president releases 10, 15, 20 million illegal into the country — they all then should get to stay forever and for all of their life?That's what all of you folks are saying, effectively.
More Miller:
You don't want to answer the question, because you know the answer. It's obvious — everyone that Biden let in has to go home. Of course. It's a crazy thing to even ask...You think we should give administrative amnesty to some subset that...Biden let in?Which is what these debates are always get down to.
ICE is going to continue to focus on raids against high-threat criminal aliens. We're going to use the entire force and power of the federal government to get them all home. Many will choose to leave voluntarily and take advantage of the CBP Home app.
But we are not going to ask taxpayers to subsidize a single illegal alien in this country.
No. of Recommendations: 8
You don't want to answer the question, because you know the answer. It's obvious — everyone that Biden let in has to go home. Of course. It's a crazy thing to even ask...You think we should give administrative amnesty to some subset that...Biden let in?
Boy, talk about a false premise. Not everyone that Biden let in has to go home. A non-trivial number of them will be qualified to stay in the United States based on the existing laws that were passed by Congress, regardless of whether Stephen Miller or Donald Trump believe in those laws.
Because a non-trivial number of those people will be allowed to stay, and all of them have a due process right to argue to a competent judge at a hearing that they do have the right to stay, it will take some amount of a finite administrative resource to go through deportation hearings. Which means that no, you can't deport 10 million people (most of whom were here before Biden) in the four years that Trump will be in office. You probably can't even deport two million.
Which means that the Administration will have to allocate those finite resources and make a decision on which of the ten million people they are going to deport in, say, the next year. Because they can't deport a million people this year, they'll have to decide on which ones to deport. And if your argument that deportation is necessary is founded principally on reducing the risk to Americans of criminal activity by illegal aliens, then the proper policy would be to prioritize those folks who actually pose such a risk, and not the mom of a breastfeeding infant who has no criminal record. Especially if your Administration spent a not inconsiderable amount of time arguing that it was going to focus on criminals that posed a danger, and not random people.
But now that they're in charge, they have to reckon with the fact that there isn't a huge number of criminal aliens that are easily deportable. It's actually pretty hard to find enough criminals to make the numbers that Trump wants. Instead, the easily deportable people are the ones with clean records that show up regularly to their scheduled ICE check-ins. They're easy to find because they're trying to follow ICE's orders, they require minimal resources to detain because they're not the least bit dangerous. But if you're going to start moving those people to the front of the deportation line because they're easy to deport, you're going to get the political pain that comes from going after people that are just harmlessly trying to live their lives.
No. of Recommendations: 3
Boy, talk about a false premise. Not everyone that Biden let in has to go home. A non-trivial number of them will be qualified to stay in the United States based on the existing laws that were passed by Congress, regardless of whether Stephen Miller or Donald Trump believe in those laws.
Oh, okay.
So the ones who applied for amnesty and have their requests granted to can stay.
What about everybody else?
And if your argument that deportation is necessary is founded principally on reducing the risk to Americans of criminal activity by illegal aliens, then the proper policy would be to prioritize those folks who actually pose such a risk, and not the mom of a breastfeeding infant who has no criminal record. Especially if your Administration spent a not inconsiderable amount of time arguing that it was going to focus on criminals that posed a danger, and not random people.
And herein lies the rub: are you arguing that if law enforcement encounters someone who they know is on the deportation list they're supposed to ignore them because there's someone else out there to catch? Is there a provision in the law that says "This one's not enough of a criminal, go after the badder guy over there"?
If your answer is "prosecutorial outreach" I don't think that applies here.
No. of Recommendations: 13
And herein lies the rub: are you arguing that if law enforcement encounters someone who they know is on the deportation list they're supposed to ignore them because there's someone else out there to catch? Is there a provision in the law that says "This one's not enough of a criminal, go after the badder guy over there"?
If your answer is "prosecutorial outreach" I don't think that applies here.
You're thinking of "prosecutorial discretion," and of course it applies here.
I may have mentioned this before, but there's a reason why Inspector Javert is not the hero of Les Miserable. He's the antagonist. Because the show deals with the fact that someone can be an upright and virtuous person, even if they once did something that broke the law. The unthinking and uniform enforcement of the law in such circumstances doesn't yield justice - it only generates damage and pain well beyond any putative benefit.
This is why due process matters. We can formulate a general policy ("people here illegally should be deported"), but also recognize that in some individual cases the strict application of that policy will result in unfairness. We give people a chance to get in front of another person to plead their case. We also deliberately choose which instances of lawbreaking to prioritize for enforcement.
Prosecutorial discretion is the principle that if you have limited prosecutorial resources, you should concentrate them on the cases where you do the most good and the least harm. Which means that you try to locate, apprehend, process, and deport the people who pose a genuine danger to the community - and allocate your resources to those cases. You don't deliberately send your resources to the local ICE office to round up the harmless grandmother or housewife with an infant child who are dutifully reporting to her regularly-scheduled check-in, just because you can get your numbers up more easily that way.
