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Author: tecmo   😊 😞
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Subject: RSP vs. SPY
Date: 12/18/2023 2:51 PM
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A pretty disastrous year for those of us that invested in RSP (equal weight) vs. SPY in 2023...

SPY : +24.0%
RSP : +10.5%

similar for the Q's
QQQ : +54%
QQQE: +32%

My US Index holdings
* SPY : 65%
* RSP : 20%
* QQQE: 15%

tecmo
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Author: AdrianC 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: RSP vs. SPY
Date: 12/18/2023 4:54 PM
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https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/perf.php?MGV,MG...

Growth +52%
Value +8%

Last year was:
Growth -35%
Value -2%
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Author: mechinv   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: RSP vs. SPY
Date: 12/18/2023 8:58 PM
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Back in July this year, I compared the returns of QQQ vs the equal weight QQQE since April 2012, when QQQE first became available as an ETF. Here's that comparison: https://www.shrewdm.com/MB?pid=784408820 My result at the time was 17.4% CAGR for QQQ vs about 14% CAGR for QQQE.

I'm updating that comparison now to include YTD results. Once again, I used portfoliovisualizer.com. Not much has changed.

Starting with $100K in April 2012, the QQQ investor would have $608K today, whereas the QQQE investor would only have $436K.

Here are the figures in detail.

April 2012 to present
Portfolio Starting Balance Ending balance CAGR Sharpe ratio. Max drawdown
QQQ $100,000 $640,048 17.6% 0.94 -32.6%
QQQE $100,000 $447,767 13.7% 0.79 -29.0%


As you can see, QQQ investors got over a 17% annualized return vs less than 14% for equal weight QQQE investors. The Sharpe (reward to risk) ratio was better, too.

Six months ago, I gave my reasons for why I personally prefer a cap-weighted index to an equal-weight index. You can read my reasons at

https://www.shrewdm.com/MB?pid=447566267

However, that's just my preference.


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Author: mechinv   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: RSP vs. SPY
Date: 12/18/2023 9:03 PM
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In my previous post, the sentence should read:

Starting with $100K in April 2012, the QQQ investor would have $640K today, whereas the QQQE investor would only have $448K.

Sorry about the typos.
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Author: mungofitch 🐝🐝🐝🐝 SILVER
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Subject: Re: RSP vs. SPY
Date: 12/19/2023 4:54 PM
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A big divergence isn't all that unexpected.
I think it's good to remember that the divergence might be in either direction, though : )

I think of it this way:
QQQE is something that tracks the average performance of that set of companies.
As it is so diversified, the earnings trend pretty well (other than dips in recessions of course) and can perhaps be extrapolated with some modest degree of confidence.

I think of QQQ as starting that result, plus or minus a very large random number based on the results of a tiny number of huge companies.
Performance might be better in any given period, might be worse, but you can't know which it will be as individual firms are not nearly as predictable as a very broad and balanced slate. The aggregate set of all company results is vastly more predictable than the results at any one firm, because the size of the economy sets bounds on the problem.

The corollary for me is this:
If you have a good understanding of the few supergiants and how they will do in the next year/two/three/etc, invest in them appropriately long or short, no need for QQQ.
If you don't have a deep understanding of them, then don't make an outsized bet on them. No need for QQQ : )

Jim
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Author: mechinv   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: RSP vs. SPY
Date: 12/21/2023 10:38 PM
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Below are the 3-year, 5-year, and 10-year performance of RSP vs SPY. As you can see, a regular cap-weighted ETF or index fund has beaten an equal-weight ETF during each of these periods. The stock market has rejected the thesis of value investors who claimed, all these years, that the S&P 500 was "overvalued" relative to RSP due to a concentration of 5 megacap tech stocks constituting almost 20% of the index. Of course, this can change in future. But 10 years is a long time for a thesis to be wrong.
  
SPY vs RSP annualized returns
Period SPY RSP
3-yr 8.6% 7.0%
5-yr 14.8% 12.3%
10-yr 11.5% 9.5%

This is good news for investors with 401K plans, since most of these plans have a Vanguard index fund as an option, but not RSP.

Note that within the past 10 years, we've had 2 severe bear markets and a near bear market - the Covid bear market of 2020, the recent 2022 bear market, and the near bear market of 2018. The market has prevailed despite all these bear markets, Ukraine-Russia war, Israel-Hamas war, etc.

Note, also that Warren Buffett, who is not particularly known as an irrationally exuberant growth investor, maintains a 50% allocation of Apple (AAPL) relative to his entire equity holdings in Berkshire Hathaway.

As of today, December 21, 2023, Berkshire Hathaway owns approximately 915 million shares of Apple. Apple's current share price is around $178.45. Therefore, the market value of the AAPL shares within Berkshire Hathaway is roughly $163 billion, which is about half the total equity holdings there. Buffett certainly does not equal-weight his holdings.
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Author: mungofitch 🐝🐝🐝🐝 SILVER
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Subject: Re: RSP vs. SPY
Date: 12/22/2023 1:22 PM
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Below are the 3-year, 5-year, and 10-year performance of RSP vs SPY. As you can see, a regular cap-weighted ETF or index fund has beaten an equal-weight ETF during each of these periods.

All of the periods you mention are ending right now. So it's really just one data point.
One could view that set of number as just saying that "really big companies just had one of their occasional good stretches".

But that isn't usually the case.
Equal weight has beat cap weight in 68.0% of rolling five year periods since 1930, and 65.9% of rolling five year periods since RSP started trading in May 2003.
Despite the well publicized wonderful results of the tech giants in the last few years, the equal-weight guy since '03 has beat the SPY guy by 0.53%/year.
If you'd done the same comparison since '03 at end Feb this year, the advantage for equal weight would have been 1.33%/year for just under 20 years.

And that's with a tiny fraction of the company-specific risk: the top two companies in SPY account for 14.62% of your capital allocation. In the equal weight they account for 0.4%.

So, yeah, other than the higher returns and the lower risk, the equal weight approach is a terrible idea : )

Jim

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Author: mechinv   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: RSP vs. SPY
Date: 12/22/2023 2:25 PM
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the equal-weight guy since '03 has beat the SPY guy by 0.53%/year.

Since '03? Firstly, how many investors bought RSP right when it first launched in April 2003? Most investors wait until an ETF has at least a full 3-year performance history before buying. I know I would. So a first buy in 2007 is far more realistic. Let's see how that investor did.

The below results will come as a shock to most of you, so let me break the news to you gently. The RSP investor actually suffered a greater drawdown and greater volatility compared to the SPY investor. And for what? For a lower annualized return of 8.7% compared to 9.2% for the market index.

If you were counting on equal-weight to be less risky during severe market downturns, you were in for a rude awakening. RSP was down 55% during the Great Recession compared to 50% for SPY. RSP also declined worse than SPY during the Covid bear market of 2020. And during the bear market of 2022, RSP declined almost 30% compared to 27.5%. So RSP provided no protection and actually performed worse during bear markets. It's also been more volatile, as shown below.

SPY vs RSP since 2007
SPY RSP
Annual return (CAGR) 9.2% 8.7%
Volatility (GSD) 15.9% 18.2%
Max drawdown (MDD) -50.8% -55.6%

Secondly, RSP is not generally available in tax-deferred 401K plans. So you have to include the effects of taxes on the dividends. The 401K investor doesn't have to pay taxes on a Vanguard S&P 500 index fund. Also, the RSP ETF's expense ratio is 0.2%, which is 5 times the expense ratio of the index fund. The taxes and the expense ratio for RSP add up to more friction.

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Author: mungofitch 🐝🐝🐝🐝 SILVER
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Subject: Re: RSP vs. SPY
Date: 12/22/2023 7:04 PM
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Since '03? Firstly, how many investors bought RSP right when it first launched in April 2003? Most investors wait until an ETF has at least a full 3-year performance history before buying. I know I would. So a first buy in 2007 is far more realistic. Let's see how that investor did.

Well, I owned it in 2003. It wasn't exactly a secret : )

The below results will come as a shock to most of you, so let me break the news to you gently. The RSP investor actually suffered a greater drawdown and greater volatility compared to the SPY investor. And for what? For a lower annualized return of 8.7% compared to 9.2% for the market index.

Well, we'll happily ignore the cherry picking of a time range--both start and end no less!--that supports your dislike of the security while by choosing a segment avoiding both the long run and shorter interval outperformance.

More to the point: Short term price volatility isn't a meaningful metric of investment risk, and never has been. It's easy to calculate, so that's why academics and fund salesmen use it. Just ignore it.

About the same comment for short term drawdowns, just one other way to measure short term price volatility: the important thing isn't the drop, but whether or not it comes all the way back. Overvalued stuff doesn't, and cap weighted indexes are always overweight the overvalued.

Rather, permanent loss of capital is almost the only risk in security investment. If you buy big blocks of something you don't know how to value or haven't bothered to value, you are taking on a big and unnecessary risk of permanent loss of capital. To demonstrate that this is a real advantage, RSP has outperformed SPY overall AND in most sub-periods since inception. It doesn't take on big bets, so it never takes big losses from individual securities. Avoiding even a few a few biggish losses does wonders for a portfolio.

(The only other risk in investing is the risk of having a whole-history rate of return that is lower than what you truly require to meet the mandate of the portfolio. If you need a real 6%/year over your investing career to avoid eating dog food in retirement, the possibility that you might have a return of only 5%/year is a real risk).

So, the two main goals of a diversified portfolio are to minimize low single-security concentration risk, and to maximize very long run returns. The equal weight index is the winner over the cap-weight index on both fronts, so RSP isn't too bad as a one-ticker portfolio.

You can probably do a hair better if you buy the individual securities yourself, but that's a lot more typing. Two obvious small improvements are to follow changes in S&P 500 index membership only a year after they are announced*, and if you like, skip some fraction of the companies with the lowest ROE. **

Jim


* for example see https://www.researchaffiliates.com/publications/ar...
"As a result, in the first six months following the rebalance, the additions tend to lag the deletions by 14%, and by month 12, the additions lag by 20%."

** over the last 20 years, an equally weighted portfolio of the 100 stocks within the S&P 500 with the highest ROE beat the 100 with the lowest ROE by 2.7%/year. One could simply skip buying the lowest 100 by ROE, and/or double up on the best 100.

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Author: mechinv   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: RSP vs. SPY
Date: 12/22/2023 10:11 PM
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The equal weight index is the winner over the cap-weight index on both fronts, so RSP isn't too bad as a one-ticker portfolio.

We'll have to agree to disagree, and that's fine. You do you. Be happy in RSP, and avoid index funds.

As for us - meaning the vast majority of American investors - the reasons why index funds are better for us are:

1) We can't even find RSP as an investment option in our 401K retirement plans

2) We have our capital in index funds compounding tax free in our 401ks. RSP in a taxable account would incur taxes on dividends and sales.

3) RSP had worse drawdowns compared to an index fund in every single bear market since 2003. For example, it was down 30% in the recent 2022 bear market compared to 27% for an index fund.

4) An index fund delivered a better risk-adjusted return compared to RSP over the past 20 years.*

5) Index funds have about 1/4 the expense ratio of RSP. We're cheap. We like that.

* I measure risk-adjusted return using the Sortino ratio. The Sortino ratio is calculated by comparing an investment's average return rate to the risk-free rate, and then dividing the result by the standard deviation of negative returns. The higher the Sortino, the better the risk-adjusted return. Below are the metrics over the past 20 years.

SPY vs RSP over past 20 years (since 2004)
CAGR Sortino
SPY 9.41% 0.87
RSP 9.36% 0.79
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Author: Alias   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: RSP vs. SPY
Date: 12/30/2023 2:38 AM
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