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Author: g0177325 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Tariff question
Date: 03/12/2025 7:06 PM
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So, Trump keeps saying that he'd like to see all tariffs dropped. Naively, this seems reasonable to me.

So, why isn't Canada - and other countries - doing that? And is it "so unfair" as Trump keeps carping?
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Author: tecmo   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Tariff question
Date: 03/12/2025 8:56 PM
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So, Trump keeps saying that he'd like to see all tariffs dropped. Naively, this seems reasonable to me.

So, why isn't Canada - and other countries - doing that? And is it "so unfair" as Trump keeps carping?


Not sure where you are getting this information, but a clarification about Canadian tariffs. They are dollar-for-dollar - no more, no less. So every dollar of tariff that the US has introduced has been met with an equal Canadian tariff.

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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Tariff question
Date: 03/12/2025 9:09 PM
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Not sure where you are getting this information, but a clarification about Canadian tariffs. They are dollar-for-dollar - no more, no less. So every dollar of tariff that the US has introduced has been met with an equal Canadian tariff.

What about the protectionist tariffs you have, on say, dairy products and other things? Why is Canada allowed to slap punitive fees on US goods but not the other way 'round?

Same goes for all the other countries.
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Subject: Re: Tariff question
Date: 03/12/2025 9:35 PM
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Dope1: What about the protectionist tariffs you have, on say, dairy products and other things? Why is Canada allowed to slap punitive fees on US goods but not the other way 'round?

Why? Because the great dealmaker, Mad King Donald, negotiated those tariffs himself in the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, or USMCA, signed in 2018, an agreement he has called “the best trade deal ever made.”

Why is the cult so stoopid?

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/10/politics/trump-cana...
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Author: g0177325 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Tariff question
Date: 03/13/2025 7:43 AM
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From that cnn explainer:

Those high tariffs kick in only after the US has hit a certain Trump-negotiated quantity of tariff-free dairy sales to Canada each year – and as the US dairy industry acknowledges, the US is not hitting its allowed zero-tariff maximum in any category of dairy product.

Ah, thanks. So there aren't currently any tariffs imposed by Canada on U.S. imports!
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Author: RPM   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Tariff question
Date: 03/13/2025 7:49 AM
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What about the protectionist tariffs you have, on say, dairy products and other things? Why is Canada allowed to slap punitive fees on US goods but not the other way 'round?

What about the huge tariffs you apply on sugar? What about the huge subsidies US provide to the Agriculture-> Dairy industry? you can call it whatever you want, but its all putting your thumb on the scale.

My understanding of the Canadian Dairy tariffs, they are ONLY if you guys drop your pants (subsidized ag flow thru pricing) and decimate our dairy industry. Its volume or value based when those tariffs kick in. Have any of those tariffs ever kicked in since negotiated by DJT team in 2018? --- NO, its just clickbate to you, and it works cause the percentage is large. Its purpose is only meant to be, the last line of defence, its the nuclear option.

You want to negotiate, put all your cards on the table. We just have different systems to achieve the same ends, understand the details before you just blow it up.

Oh and don't get us started about ethanol and corn farming subsidies.

Something about a pot and a kettle...
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Tariff question
Date: 03/13/2025 11:23 AM
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My understanding of the Canadian Dairy tariffs, they are ONLY if you guys drop your pants (subsidized ag flow thru pricing) and decimate our dairy industry.

The point, of course is that Canada protects industries it feels are particularly vulnerable.

For the record. I don’t like trade wars as they’re counterproductive.
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Author: wzambon 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Tariff question
Date: 03/13/2025 12:37 PM
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For the record. I don’t like trade wars as they’re counterproductive

That’s great, but Trump just started one.
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